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sugerbear
501 posts
27 months
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Guam said: Really we are in the s  t economically, we have teachers spending 174K on a fax machine and what is the press obsessing over, an arrogant t t of a politician <quelle surprise> and a couple of over sensitive PCs who have clearly never heard an insult before <Bless> Neither side comes out of this well imho, but surely to god we have more pressing issues for the press to be focusing on? The Police were following rules. They got abused because a member of the public didn't like what they were hearing. I guess the reason the main gate isn't opened for anything other than official cars is that is poses a security risk. If the PC had opened the gate and someone had driven their car/van through and done something then I expect that Mitchell would blame them for not following the rules. Obviously none of the above happened but I assume it's in place for good reason and not just to annoy the chief whip.
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Guam
15,260 posts
137 months
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sugerbear said: The Police were following rules. They got abused because a member of the public didn't like what they were hearing.
I guess the reason the main gate isn't opened for anything other than official cars is that is poses a security risk. If the PC had opened the gate and someone had driven their car/van through and done something then I expect that Mitchell would blame them for not following the rules.
Obviously none of the above happened but I assume it's in place for good reason and not just to annoy the chief whip. I dont dispute the facts in any way, and that wasnt my point, I have thanked Bib after being nicked for speeding, as they had done their job and dispensed with me politely and quickly, this surprised them no end as they usually get slagged off <according to them>! So its only a big deal because he is an MP <albeit an utter t t>. Maybe we should have a be nicer to your Bib week 
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motco
4,745 posts
115 months
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Blue62 said: motco said: And how in the name of all things sane and reasonable can they connect it with the murders of the policewomen in Manchester last week? I can't answer your point, maybe if you posted a link as I didn't see a report connecting the two events (as you suggest). My wider point was this story was headlining in most of the papers yesterday, the Sun revealed the P word allegation and led with the story, so to castigate the BBC alone seems at odds with your point about bias. This is the best I can do right now - they were banging on about the link on 'Today' though. BBC said: A police union leader has attacked David Cameron as the row continues over Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell's words to an officer.
The prime minister's tribute to the two police officers killed in Manchester was "hollow words", Metropolitan Police Federation chairman John Tully said.
Mr Tully said this was the opinion of "many of my colleagues".
A Downing Street source said the PM had made it clear "that he has the greatest respect for the police".
Adam Fleming reports.
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Digga
10,898 posts
152 months
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 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...The Daily Mash said: Whilst on duty at *** tonight (Wed 19th Sept) on a 1400-2200 hrs between the hours of 1800-2000 I had to deal with a man on a bike claiming to be Wolverine from the X-Men and who I later confirmed to be just the chief whip and a Mr Andrew MITCHELL.
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retrobob
1,739 posts
58 months
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crankedup
9,237 posts
112 months
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ClaphamGT3 said: Jasandjules said: Well he was right, the officer hasn't heard the last of it.......
Sadly, I think keeping him in power is more damaging than getting rid of him - that kind of arrogant attitude is already costing the Govt votes (far too many poor people unhappy with the "we are all in this together" from multi-millionaires who have no idea how bad things are for the poor) and this I think will not assist at all. I think that he and CCO will be working on the basis that this will be completely forgotten in a couple of weeks. Cameron has a well documented distaste for being 'bounced' into appointment decisions by the public/the press. I suspect that Mitchell is as safe as he wants to be, Disagree, this is a story that will come back and bite the Tories in a couple of years time. The public have long memories for this type of behaviour, Brown bigot anyone. Damage has been done now and it will cost Tory votes. As for Mitchell, pawn in a storm.
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Red 4
1,355 posts
56 months
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Marty Funkhouser said: Christ Almighty - how hopelessly naive are the Tories?
Mitchell should have the backbone to just resign. Nothing underlines how far out of touch the Tory party is than this incident. Are we really surprised given the 'Bullingdon' element within the Conservatives? 1. Hopeless ? Abolutely. More arrogance than naivity though. A toxic combination. 2. I doubt Mitchell will resign (unless he is told to). There are plenty of policies that underline how out of touch this government is. Most of them will backfire eventually. Unfortunately most of the Government will have moved on to pastures new or have been moved sideways when they do.
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Jasandjules
45,376 posts
98 months
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crankedup said: Disagree, this is a story that will come back and bite the Tories in a couple of years time. The public have long memories for this type of behaviour, Brown bigot anyone. Damage has been done now and it will cost Tory votes. As for Mitchell, pawn in a storm. Indeed. I have visions of something like "Plebs don't vote for Toffs" or something equally disparaging ona campaign poster when the elections come.
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REALIST123
1,550 posts
22 months
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crankedup said: ClaphamGT3 said: Jasandjules said: Well he was right, the officer hasn't heard the last of it.......
Sadly, I think keeping him in power is more damaging than getting rid of him - that kind of arrogant attitude is already costing the Govt votes (far too many poor people unhappy with the "we are all in this together" from multi-millionaires who have no idea how bad things are for the poor) and this I think will not assist at all. I think that he and CCO will be working on the basis that this will be completely forgotten in a couple of weeks. Cameron has a well documented distaste for being 'bounced' into appointment decisions by the public/the press. I suspect that Mitchell is as safe as he wants to be, Disagree, this is a story that will come back and bite the Tories in a couple of years time. The public have long memories for this type of behaviour, Brown bigot anyone. Damage has been done now and it will cost Tory votes. As for Mitchell, pawn in a storm. Don't think so. There are so many reasons to not vote for the Tories or any other of the main three parties that this will pale into insignificance.
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Apache
38,242 posts
153 months
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REALIST123 said: crankedup said: ClaphamGT3 said: Jasandjules said: Well he was right, the officer hasn't heard the last of it.......
Sadly, I think keeping him in power is more damaging than getting rid of him - that kind of arrogant attitude is already costing the Govt votes (far too many poor people unhappy with the "we are all in this together" from multi-millionaires who have no idea how bad things are for the poor) and this I think will not assist at all. I think that he and CCO will be working on the basis that this will be completely forgotten in a couple of weeks. Cameron has a well documented distaste for being 'bounced' into appointment decisions by the public/the press. I suspect that Mitchell is as safe as he wants to be, Disagree, this is a story that will come back and bite the Tories in a couple of years time. The public have long memories for this type of behaviour, Brown bigot anyone. Damage has been done now and it will cost Tory votes. As for Mitchell, pawn in a storm. Don't think so. There are so many reasons to not vote for the Tories or any other of the main three parties that this will pale into insignificance. That's the way I see it too, politicians have been losing public support ever since the expenses scandal and they seem to think it's all forgotten, far from it, there is a smouldering resentment that grows with every thoughtless action or act of arrogance, from Chris Huhnes apparent immunity from the law to David Camerons father in law making a mint from his windmills. Joe Public is sick of them and as jobs are lost, wages freeze, petrol prices and taxes soar?.....the resentment grows
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ViperPict
8,424 posts
106 months
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Boris wading in on the side of the cops now...
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Derek Smith
16,033 posts
117 months
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ViperPict said: Boris wading in on the side of the cops now... Boris wading in on the side that might cause Cameron problems I would suggest.
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Halb
17,851 posts
52 months
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Yeah. That wasn't really unexpected. 
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ViperPict
8,424 posts
106 months
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Halb said: Yeah. That wasn't really unexpected. Are you implying Boris has a STRATEGY?! 
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elster
16,645 posts
79 months
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Derek Smith said: ViperPict said: Boris wading in on the side of the cops now... Boris wading in on the side that might cause Cameron problems I would suggest. Didn't he wade in on day 1?
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Halb
17,851 posts
52 months
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ViperPict said: Are you implying Boris has a STRATEGY?! Er, be less s t than Dave?
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ViperPict
8,424 posts
106 months
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Halb said: ViperPict said: Are you implying Boris has a STRATEGY?! Er, be less s t than Dave? Do you need a strategy for that?
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Halb
17,851 posts
52 months
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ViperPict said: Do you need a strategy for that? You do if you're in the Tory party.
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Derek Smith
16,033 posts
117 months
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elster said: Didn't he wade in on day 1? The first I heard was Day 2 but if I were a betting man I'd put money on what you say. Never one to miss an angle is our Johnson. I'd call him a reed, bendin depending on which way the wind blows, but even reeds have roots.
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Digga
10,898 posts
152 months
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This from a mate's Arsebook page: 
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