Conservative MP - Police Rant.

[Rovinghawk]

Elroy Blue said:

you can bet your first born that the events will be recorded meticulously and ASAP. It's self preservation.

According to recent information it would appear that Mitchell has been stitched up by a pack of lies by colluding naughty people.
The meticulous records to which you refer would appear to be fabrications. As for self-preservation, I suggest that any smug attitudes be readjusted & cake forks readied for a large slice of humble pie.

RH

[eharding]

Discussing it now on Newsnight, but I lost track of what they're saying as the combination of Emily's rather short skirt and the camera angle distracted me.

[NoNeed]

I have just watched the channel 4 news from this evening that covered the story and my conclusion is that Downing street security is shockingly poor.

[Chim]

NoNeed said:

I have just watched the channel 4 news from this evening that covered the story and my conclusion is that Downing street security is shockingly poor.

That struck me as well, CCTV is appalling low quality and does not appear to cover many angles. Would have thought that hey would have had state of the art HD CCTV covering just about every angle with audio coverage at the gate as well.

Very very poor

[perdu]

Chim said:

That struck me as well, CCTV is appalling low quality and does not appear to cover many angles. Would have thought that hey would have had state of the art HD CCTV covering just about every angle with audio coverage at the gate as well.

Very very poor

maybe they thought they could rely upon the police to keep them secure...

[NoNeed]

The government have been trying to put cameras just about everywhere and anywhere over the last couple of decades and they never thought of one of the most important places this nation has. seems rather daft to me, unless of course the place is being watched by a dozen satellites that record sound and vision with remarkable clarity like they have in the movies.

[petemurphy]

NoNeed said:

The government have been trying to put cameras just about everywhere and anywhere over the last couple of decades and they never thought of one of the most important places this nation has. seems rather daft to me, unless of course the place is being watched by a dozen satellites that record sound and vision with remarkable clarity like they have in the movies.

it is but not sure the chinese will let us have the footage!

[chimster]

Who the fk are you supposed to trust? Papers/Police/Politicians??? This is evil stuff and I hope they come down on ANYONE involved like a ton of bricks. Lying conniving stheads the lot of 'em.

[Pupp]

Well, if miscoduct in a public office gets proved, there's a 7 stretch as well as career and pension down the toilet... probably see transportation re-enacted too!

[Digga]

I've heard some very disturbing things about the Met. Mostly, it's from officers on other forces - I took it with a pinch of salt, because there always will be rivalry - but does seem to highlight the ongoing struggle they have with understanding what [i[exactly[/i] the fundamental role of the police ought to be.

[AnotherClarkey]

This year has really shaken my faith in the Police. Corruption uncovered by the Leveson Enquiry, this latest Mitchell revelation and, most shocking of all, Hillsborough make me think there is something very wrong with the institution.

[Digga]

AnotherClarkey said:

This year has really shaken my faith in the Police. Corruption uncovered by the Leveson Enquiry, this latest Mitchell revelation and, most shocking of all, Hillsborough make me think there is something very wrong with the institution.

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

[XCP]

Digga said:

AnotherClarkey said:

This year has really shaken my faith in the Police. Corruption uncovered by the Leveson Enquiry, this latest Mitchell revelation and, most shocking of all, Hillsborough make me think there is something very wrong with the institution.

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

And it will be thinner still in the future.

[AnotherClarkey]

Digga said:

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

I am not sure it matters how thick or thin the blue line is once the expectation that the Police will tell the truth and act with integrity has gone.

[Riff Raff]

eharding said:

Discussing it now on Newsnight, but I lost track of what they're saying as the combination of Emily's rather short skirt and the camera angle distracted me.

I though it was just me

David Davies was saying some sensible stuff on the Today programme about this mess.

[anonymous-user]

AnotherClarkey said:

Digga said:

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

I am not sure it matters how thick or thin the blue line is once the expectation that the Police will tell the truth and act with integrity has gone.

The thinner the better if recent events are an indication of general ethics, honesty etc. There seems to be growing evidence to suggest they are.

[Digga]

REALIST123 said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Digga said:

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

I am not sure it matters how thick or thin the blue line is once the expectation that the Police will tell the truth and act with integrity has gone.

The thinner the better if recent events are an indication of general ethics, honesty etc. There seems to be growing evidence to suggest they are.

I think the idea that all police are corrupt and/or egotistic is an erroneous extension of the facts. I hope.

[AnotherClarkey]

Digga said:

I think the idea that all police are corrupt and/or egotistic is an erroneous extension of the facts. I hope.

I am sure it is but it doesn't take many liars to erode the authority of the whole force.

[shoestring7]

Digga said:

AnotherClarkey said:

This year has really shaken my faith in the Police. Corruption uncovered by the Leveson Enquiry, this latest Mitchell revelation and, most shocking of all, Hillsborough make me think there is something very wrong with the institution.

My faith was shattered once I learned just how few actual officers on the beat/in cars, the spend on policing actualyl delivers to a typical 'front line' town. I'm sure the criminal classes know only too well (and are pleased) but the vast majority of the public have absolutely no idea how thinly the blue line is spread throughout the land.

This.

I struggled when I learnt that out of 7,000 officers in one counties Police force, a mere 6 were available and on duty one Saturday evening in the largest town in that county. In this day and age, its hard to understand why there are over 50 different Police forces in the country. Something is going badly wrong and I actually think its time for a Royal Commission into Policing, justice, and the prison service.

In the Gategate case, I'm sure the Police Federation is going to spend the holidays looking over its shoulder. Using dodgy testimony (I wonder who put him up to it?) to launch a clearly politically motivated attempt to influence the removal of a senior government politician was always high risk.

SS7

[wl606]

Riff Raff said:

David Davies was saying some sensible stuff on the Today programme about this mess.

David Davis says sensible stuff about most issues. Wish we'd got him in charge, rather than Cameron.

Edited by wl606 on Wednesday 19th December 10:34