Muslim protests in UK

[Mermaid]

968 said:

I don't think you'll find many people that argue with his comments. Indeed the fact that proportionately, as Tonker has pointed out, this group are overrepresented in convictions of these types, has to be addressed and as you note, Warsi (who is a Pakistani origin Muslim, last time I looked) has been quite outspoken on the issue, so not a deafening silence. Indeed I have heard of much discussion and soul searching about this from people who live in such areas. The reasons have to be explored and I feel that people are trying to address these issues. .

Do you think this abuse is still on-going, and more important than Warsi are the Imams at the mosques - what are they saying & doing?

For if we have a few more of these abuse examples, the reaction could end up being counter productive to on-going good relations.

[StottyZr]

968 said:

However, as Tonker also says, the descent of this debate into realms of labelling the entire population of a section of society is not helpful or right.

Agreed wholeheartedly. Although I hope this wasn't aimed at me.

[968]

StottyZr said:

Agreed wholeheartedly. Although I hope this wasn't aimed at me.

Not at all! I think it's pretty obvious who the trouble makers are!

[968]

Mermaid said:

Do you think this abuse is still on-going, and more important than Warsi are the Imams at the mosques - what are they saying & doing?

For if we have a few more of these abuse examples, the reaction could end up being counter productive to on-going good relations.

I have no idea, whether these things are still going on mainly because this sort of thing is so rare and so alarming when it happens. I can't imagine anyone I know that could be involved in such depravity, however given Tonker's stats, it would suggest that it probably is going on still. I'm not tremendously religious and can't claim to be a regular attender at mosques, however I know many people who do go regularly and have discussions with them about what has/is being said. I also lived in the NW until recently (now back in the safety of Surrey, as of May) so knew lots of colleagues and friends who lived in those areas and they were totally shocked by these stories.

[968]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Totally agree with every word.

[Glassman]

Just been spammed with an email which points at this book on Amazon, "How Fatima Started Islam".

The reviews make for better reading by the looks of it.

[jas xjr]

smegmore said:

It was the British Army which introduced curry to the UK, originally used in India to disguise the taste of rotten meat.

the region my parents come from in india , the majority of people are vegetarians . they eat vegetarian curries .

[RedTrident]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

From some research that some people I know conducted:

1. - Nothing to do with police targeting and nothing like the accusations made by African Caribbean young men through stop and search etc
2. - Over representation in 'professions' where they are more likely to come into contact with vulnerable young women.
3. - Probably the most controversial and based upon interviews with people in these 'professions' i refer to above. Emerging evidence of attraction to the 'exotic' - by this I don't mean underage children but rather women from a non traditional background (as in from a background not the same as their wives/likely wives). Strong correlation between those that were involved in the child abuse and involvement in obtaining services from junkie 'white' prostitues.


You asked and whilst I don't want to get drawn into a wider immigration, failure of multiculturalism and borderline racist discussion I thought I'd share what I've managed to find out.

[Marf]

Guam said:

MMM the Sihks are miffed at Rowling, wanting the new book banned for "insaulting the faith" if this is to be believed.
I doubt they will blow stuff up though!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9580177/First-Midd...

Hmm, a moustachioed sikh girl, with large mammaries

Like this one?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/09/beard...

[jas xjr]

Guam said:

MMM the Sihks are miffed at Rowling, wanting the new book banned for "insaulting the faith" if this is to be believed.
I doubt they will blow stuff up though!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9580177/First-Midd...

unfortunately sikhs have been known to blow stuff up and do have a history of protesting against various things

[Ozzie Osmond]

Until the middle classes stop snorting stuff up their noses there will always be a queue of halfwits willing to risk everything for a few minures of fame and fortune rather than life on benefits or driving a bus for minimum wage.

[Justayellowbadge]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Until the middle classes stop snorting stuff up their noses there will always be a queue of halfwits willing to risk everything for a few minures of fame and fortune rather than life on benefits or driving a bus for minimum wage.

I have absolutely no idea what relevance that has to anything, so I'm quoting it to return to once you have been fully evaluated.

[King Herald]

essexplumber said:

I have no time, however, for those who come here to steal from our social funds and then try to change our way of life from within, those kind of immigrants can fk off back to the place they so desperately wanted to escape.

If thats racist then I'm afraid I must be a racist.

If that's racist then I'm proud I must be a racist.

I can see no reason we should have to be penalised or labelled because we don't want out country torn apart and ripped off by the bad and sponging of immigrants.

My wife is/was a 3rd world immigrant, and she had her share of jobs in the UK, paid tax, didn't try to destroy anything. She now has a British passport, and we now live in her country.

However, there is no way in a million years I am going to get a Philippines passport, or any sort of permanent residence, or a job, or equal status here, without passing over enormous rolls of bank notes.

[Colonial]

968 said:

I don't think it's helpful or adds anything to the discussion, because the discussion of hijab/niqab is based on a false presupposition that all Muslim women are required to wear them, they aren't and they don't, it's a tiny minority that do, and is as curious to me as it is to any of the posters here who are so hostile to Muslims.

That was my slightly drunken point.

[Colonial]

essexplumber said:

The overriding issue in all of this is quite simple, any immigrant who has a problem with their adopted country should go back to the country they immigrated from. I think you will find the British people are more than happy to accomodate and welcome with open arms anyone from any background so long as they actually like Britain and are happy to try to fit in and adopt some elements of the British culture and customs.

I love hearing about the many immigrants who have come here and made a successfull and happy life for themselves, there must be thousands who have come here and contibuted to our society, created jobs and wealth for the country.

I have no time, however, for those who come here to steal from our social funds and then try to change our way of life from within, those kind of immigrants can fk off back to the place they so desperately wanted to escape.

If thats racist then I'm afraid I must be a racist.

Can all the English migrants in former colonies please fk off with their moaning about not having a marks and spencer and the weather and their being no insert pastime/location in their new country?

And can all the English migrants in Spain please fk off with their always talking English, and having English food, and not integrating into the Spanish culture.

It would be much better if they tried to fit in and adopt some elements of the Spanish culture and customs.

[andymadmak]

Colonial said:

Can all the English migrants in former colonies please fk off with their moaning about not having a marks and spencer and the weather and their being no insert pastime/location in their new country?

And can all the English migrants in Spain please fk off with their always talking English, and having English food, and not integrating into the Spanish culture.

It would be much better if they tried to fit in and adopt some elements of the Spanish culture and customs.

I completely agree that an immigrant to any country should try to integrate with their new hosts. Moaning about the weather is just not on!
I presume there is also evidence of British expat paedophile gangs targetting Spanish youngsters?

[essexplumber]

Colonial said:

Can all the English migrants in former colonies please fk off with their moaning about not having a marks and spencer and the weather and their being no insert pastime/location in their new country?




And can all the English migrants in Spain please fk off with their always talking English, and having English food, and not integrating into the Spanish culture.

It would be much better if they tried to fit in and adopt some elements of the Spanish culture and customs.

Completely agree. As I said, ALL IMMIGRANTS, or are you trying to put words I'm my mouth?

If anyone wishes to move to a new country they should accept that they will have to adopt that country and its ways into their hearts. Is that too much to ask?

[Glassman]

essexplumber said:

If anyone wishes to move to a new country they should accept that they will have to adopt that country and its ways into their hearts.

But what if they see a country riddled with dole/sickness benefit sponges?

Edited by Glassman on Tuesday 2nd October 18:39

[randlemarcus]

Glassman said:

essexplumber said:

If anyone wishes to move to a new country they should accept that they will have to adopt that country and its ways into their hearts.

But what if they a country riddled with dole/sickness benefit sponges?

Actually, that's not a point of view without merit. We're asking for integration, but what if the British culture they are closest to is our Kylesque underclass. shudder.

[odyssey2200]

randlemarcus said:

Glassman said:

essexplumber said:

If anyone wishes to move to a new country they should accept that they will have to adopt that country and its ways into their hearts.

But what if they a country riddled with dole/sickness benefit sponges?

Actually, that's not a point of view without merit. We're asking for integration, but what if the British culture they are closest to is our Kylesque underclass. shudder.

We seem to have enough of our own, home grown scroungers that we don't seem to be able to take action over.
So why TF would we want the rest of the worlds scum to come here too to add to the costs?


Speaking as a bloke who is currently on the dole.