Muslim protests in UK
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Pesty said:
But is a significant proportion of them have issues with battery then the problem could at least be acknowledged couldn't it.
So that's it then there are no problems and everything is peachy glad we got that sorted.
It's not a significant proportion. It's a minority. No one has said there are no problems. Of course there are, however, making generalisations about the vast majority is stupid. So that's it then there are no problems and everything is peachy glad we got that sorted.
968 said:
It's not a significant proportion. It's a minority. No one has said there are no problems. Of course there are, however, making generalisations about the vast majority is stupid.
There've been surveys done showing that a third of young British muslims agree that the penalty for apostacy from islam should be death. That's both a large minority (1/3) and a significant proportion.968 said:
It's not a significant proportion. It's a minority. No one has said there are no problems. Of course there are, however, making generalisations about the vast majority is stupid.
I have nothing to add of direct relevance at this point.However, I have watched your input to PH over many years and thank you for your measured contributions.
Countdown said:
Mermaid said:
Ever tried to point out the short comings of an Apple product to an Apple fanboi, or Posche... 
That which can be good often also has faults that need recognising & sorting/updating.
Agreed. That which can be good often also has faults that need recognising & sorting/updating. But how much credence would you give to somebody who suggested ALL Apple products were cr@p based solely because his IPhone 4s screen cracked and he couldn't get iTunes to work?
I had some chavvy(ish) female mates who lived in Limehouse East London. They lived in a council block and were one of only 4 white familys in the block, we used to go around there and hang about as you do when you're in your teens (well I did 
), the rest of the block was mainly Muslim familys and you would always see the men (all ages) coming and going, never once did I ever encounter a problem with any of them and nor did my freinds.
We never mixed but my freinds would nod or say hello to them, on one occasion one of my freinds siblings was quite poorly and some of the young Muslim lads (they all had cars) drove them to the A+E. This is 10-12 years ago so I don't know if its still as harmonious there. I grew up in Hackney and would often pass through Bethnel Green, Whitechapel, Stepney Green etc, and never once did I encounter a problem from any asian people.
Another time my mate stupidly went out on his moped pissed (or worse) and smashed his leg into a concrete bollard, early hours of the morning there my mate, 6.2 with a close shaved head he looked every inch a typical EDL type (he was far from it though). It was a group of Asian boys that drove him in their car to A+E and waited untill he was seen, they even chained his moped up at the scene.
What I'm trying to say is that back then in the early 2000's I never even concidered what Islam was or the tensions that may or may not have excisted at the time. I can't recall my group our extended group mixing with any Asian groups but I do remember never having a problem with them, ever, not once.
I don't know if thats still the case in my old haunts but I don't know if I would feel as comfortable passing through some of those areas as a White man today. I don't know if its the media reports of "Sharia law boundrys" in certain areas or the fact that some parts oe London are practically al Asian and I'd stick out like a sore thumb. I see the news and read the papers and see the groups of young men with placards, I've been outside Finsbury Park mosque and seen the way no traffic wardens dare ticket cars during prayers. On that same occasion though I saw a familliar white Muslim extremist be ejected from the mosque and a big crowd turn up folowed by the Police.
I do harbour fears about Islam and the way the areas I grew up in look nothing like they did 10 years ago, I worry that soon I will not be welcome as a white non Muslim in some parts of Great Britain, I'm not racist but those are genuine fears. But then I meet someone who is Muslim, be it at work or just being out and about and I come away as I have on every single occasion feeling guilty about my fears or concerns because as I say, I've never had a personal negative experience.
There clearly are problems between our cultures though, f
k knows what we're all going to do about them.
Can I just apologise for the priamry school standard of spelling and grammar in that post, I wrote in a hurry and I'm fked if I'm gonna correct it all now 
), the rest of the block was mainly Muslim familys and you would always see the men (all ages) coming and going, never once did I ever encounter a problem with any of them and nor did my freinds.We never mixed but my freinds would nod or say hello to them, on one occasion one of my freinds siblings was quite poorly and some of the young Muslim lads (they all had cars) drove them to the A+E. This is 10-12 years ago so I don't know if its still as harmonious there. I grew up in Hackney and would often pass through Bethnel Green, Whitechapel, Stepney Green etc, and never once did I encounter a problem from any asian people.
Another time my mate stupidly went out on his moped pissed (or worse) and smashed his leg into a concrete bollard, early hours of the morning there my mate, 6.2 with a close shaved head he looked every inch a typical EDL type (he was far from it though). It was a group of Asian boys that drove him in their car to A+E and waited untill he was seen, they even chained his moped up at the scene.
What I'm trying to say is that back then in the early 2000's I never even concidered what Islam was or the tensions that may or may not have excisted at the time. I can't recall my group our extended group mixing with any Asian groups but I do remember never having a problem with them, ever, not once.
I don't know if thats still the case in my old haunts but I don't know if I would feel as comfortable passing through some of those areas as a White man today. I don't know if its the media reports of "Sharia law boundrys" in certain areas or the fact that some parts oe London are practically al Asian and I'd stick out like a sore thumb. I see the news and read the papers and see the groups of young men with placards, I've been outside Finsbury Park mosque and seen the way no traffic wardens dare ticket cars during prayers. On that same occasion though I saw a familliar white Muslim extremist be ejected from the mosque and a big crowd turn up folowed by the Police.
I do harbour fears about Islam and the way the areas I grew up in look nothing like they did 10 years ago, I worry that soon I will not be welcome as a white non Muslim in some parts of Great Britain, I'm not racist but those are genuine fears. But then I meet someone who is Muslim, be it at work or just being out and about and I come away as I have on every single occasion feeling guilty about my fears or concerns because as I say, I've never had a personal negative experience.
There clearly are problems between our cultures though, f
k knows what we're all going to do about them.Can I just apologise for the priamry school standard of spelling and grammar in that post, I wrote in a hurry and I'm f
ked if I'm gonna correct it all now Edited by essexplumber on Sunday 7th October 21:20
Mermaid said:
Countdown said:
Mermaid said:
Ever tried to point out the short comings of an Apple product to an Apple fanboi, or Posche... That which can be good often also has faults that need recognising & sorting/updating.
Agreed. That which can be good often also has faults that need recognising & sorting/updating. But how much credence would you give to somebody who suggested ALL Apple products were cr@p based solely because his IPhone 4s screen cracked and he couldn't get iTunes to work?
kuzushi said:
968 said:
It's not a significant proportion. It's a minority. No one has said there are no problems. Of course there are, however, making generalisations about the vast majority is stupid.
There've been surveys done showing that a third of young British muslims agree that the penalty for apostacy from islam should be death. That's both a large minority (1/3) and a significant proportion.essexplumber said:
I've been outside Finsbury Park mosque and seen the way no traffic wardens dare ticket cars during prayers. On that same occasion though I saw a familliar white Muslim extremist be ejected from the mosque and a big crowd turn up folowed by the Police.
Muslims are one thing, the ideology of islam is quite another.
968, you are clearly intelligent, your parents and yourself have done alot of good in the field of healthcare in this country, and you've made some very good points in this particular topic.
With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
kuzushi said:
This traffic warden thing is dhimmitude in action. This is what makes islam different from other religions: it wants to take over the whole world. We are being slowly colonised.
Muslims are one thing, the ideology of islam is quite another.
Thats more a problem with leftie councils being sMuslims are one thing, the ideology of islam is quite another.
t scared of being "opressive" though. The guy being ejected is a good thing though, he had been in the papers talking about how Sharia Law is coming for the UK etc. It showed to me that the mosque wanted no connection to him.Cobnapint said:
968, you are clearly intelligent, your parents and yourself have done alot of good in the field of healthcare in this country, and you've made some very good points in this particular topic.
With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
Hope you don't mind me adding my twopenn'orth...With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
I'm a (lapsed) Muslim and I don't want sharia law.
My wife is quite a devout Muslim and she doesn't want sharia law.
My dad's on the local mosque committee and HE doesn't want sharia law.
Just to add, the laws of our free and democratic society can only be changed by democratic means. Of at some point in the future the democratic choice is for sharia law, jewish law, or Jedi law, then I'd comply with it.
Pesty said:
Countdown said:
Agreed.
But how much credence would you give to somebody who suggested ALL Apple products were cr@p based solely because his IPhone 4s screen cracked and he couldn't get iTunes to work?
But is a significant proportion of them have issues with battery then the problem could at least be acknowledged couldn't it.But how much credence would you give to somebody who suggested ALL Apple products were cr@p based solely because his IPhone 4s screen cracked and he couldn't get iTunes to work?
You also have to look at the person doing the complaining; if it's Mr Sam Sung telling you that IPhones are ALL rubbish you might want to double check the accuracy of his statement.
968 said:
What you don't seem to understand and what the previous poster doesn't understand is that making statements which use massive generalisations is neither helpful nor advances your point or argument. If that was what the other poster meant then he should have said so in the first place. None of us here condone such behaviour, whoever the perpetrators are, but it seems that this website and indeed these threads to be exclusively reserved for one section of society.
You're absolutely correct, and I should have made an effort to be more clear. My apologies.Countdown said:
odyssey2200 said:
And I have a direct choice as to whether I invest in or even let an Apple product into my home or life.
Into your home yes. But not whether apple products can enter your street, town, or country Cobnapint said:
968, you are clearly intelligent, your parents and yourself have done alot of good in the field of healthcare in this country, and you've made some very good points in this particular topic.
With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
I think it's already been said but I don't want Sharia law, and no one I knows wants it. Democracy will demonstrate that the majority do not want this kind of law imposed upon them and that includes the majority of the Muslim immigrants in this country. The only people who actively call for it are nutcases like Anjem Choudhury and the Hizb-Tehrir/Al Muhajiroun types. With all the above in mind, I wonder what your feelings are on the distant prospects of the UK, if certain members of our presently free and democratic society get their way, eventually becoming an Islamic state with the imposition of Sharia law.
Mermaid said:
I agree with that, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and is a dominant force that will reshape this country, mostly for good I hope.
I don't think it will be either dominant or reshaping. I think it will simply become diluted over time and become one flavour amongst many.Mermaid said:
Any idea about the population growth rates amongst Muslims/Pakistanis compared to other minorities & the rest of the population?
The Jinn and tonic show is worth a listen for a sympathetic perspective on islam and immigration:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjRVxCU394I
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