Muslim protests in UK

[danjama]

essexplumber said:

I had some chavvy(ish) female mates who lived in Limehouse East London. They lived in a council block and were one of only 4 white familys in the block, we used to go around there and hang about as you do when you're in your teens (well I did ), the rest of the block was mainly Muslim familys and you would always see the men (all ages) coming and going, never once did I ever encounter a problem with any of them and nor did my freinds.

We never mixed but my freinds would nod or say hello to them, on one occasion one of my freinds siblings was quite poorly and some of the young Muslim lads (they all had cars) drove them to the A+E. This is 10-12 years ago so I don't know if its still as harmonious there. I grew up in Hackney and would often pass through Bethnel Green, Whitechapel, Stepney Green etc, and never once did I encounter a problem from any asian people.

Another time my mate stupidly went out on his moped pissed (or worse) and smashed his leg into a concrete bollard, early hours of the morning there my mate, 6.2 with a close shaved head he looked every inch a typical EDL type (he was far from it though). It was a group of Asian boys that drove him in their car to A+E and waited untill he was seen, they even chained his moped up at the scene.

What I'm trying to say is that back then in the early 2000's I never even concidered what Islam was or the tensions that may or may not have excisted at the time. I can't recall my group our extended group mixing with any Asian groups but I do remember never having a problem with them, ever, not once.

I don't know if thats still the case in my old haunts but I don't know if I would feel as comfortable passing through some of those areas as a White man today. I don't know if its the media reports of "Sharia law boundrys" in certain areas or the fact that some parts oe London are practically al Asian and I'd stick out like a sore thumb. I see the news and read the papers and see the groups of young men with placards, I've been outside Finsbury Park mosque and seen the way no traffic wardens dare ticket cars during prayers. On that same occasion though I saw a familliar white Muslim extremist be ejected from the mosque and a big crowd turn up folowed by the Police.

I do harbour fears about Islam and the way the areas I grew up in look nothing like they did 10 years ago, I worry that soon I will not be welcome as a white non Muslim in some parts of Great Britain, I'm not racist but those are genuine fears. But then I meet someone who is Muslim, be it at work or just being out and about and I come away as I have on every single occasion feeling guilty about my fears or concerns because as I say, I've never had a personal negative experience.

There clearly are problems between our cultures though, fk knows what we're all going to do about them.





Can I just apologise for the priamry school standard of spelling and grammar in that post, I wrote in a hurry and I'm fked if I'm gonna correct it all now

Edited by essexplumber on Sunday 7th October 21:20

What a fantastic post. Sums up exactly how I feel.

I grew up in Hackney too and spent a lot of time in limehouse/bow etc. It's funny, your feelings and experiences reflect mine. Where abouts in Hackney did you grow up?

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, one of my best friends is muslim. I grew up around Muslims. But there's definitely a different vibe in the old areas, compared to how it used to feel.

[kuzushi]

Mermaid said:

Any idea about the population growth rates amongst Muslims/Pakistanis compared to other minorities & the rest of the population?

The fact that a form of Muhammad (spelt various ways: Mohamed, Muhammed etc..)is consistently the most common boys' name in England is a clue to what's going on.

[smegmore]

968 said:

I think it's already been said but I don't want Sharia law, and no one I knows wants it. Democracy will demonstrate that the majority do not want this kind of law imposed upon them and that includes the majority of the Muslim immigrants in this country. The only people who actively call for it are nutcases like Anjem Choudhury and the Hizb-Tehrir/Al Muhajiroun types.

Then why don't you and other moderate muslims stand up, speak out and stop these nutcases from trying to enforce their malignant bullst in this country? Or is it a case of 'keeping a low profile just in case they succeed'

Serious question.

[Art0ir]

smegmore said:

Then why don't you and other moderate muslims stand up, speak out and stop these nutcases from trying to enforce their malignant bullst in this country? Or is it a case of 'keeping a low profile just in case they succeed'

Serious question.

I think this is key. When the protests over the original Danish cartoons kicked off, I don't recall any major religious institution condemning the violence that followed.

[Mr_B]

Countdown said:

Hope you don't mind me adding my twopenn'orth...

I'm a (lapsed) Muslim and I don't want sharia law.
My wife is quite a devout Muslim and she doesn't want sharia law.
My dad's on the local mosque committee and HE doesn't want sharia law.

Just to add, the laws of our free and democratic society can only be changed by democratic means. Of at some point in the future the democratic choice is for sharia law, jewish law, or Jedi law, then I'd comply with it.

What do you all think about the Sharia courts already operating in the UK ? I'm guessing you will possibly say they are voluntary, so what harm could there be.
For me it's already a small sign of division, and one that I don't wish to see grow. I'm not sure how and who managed to get that concession, but like most things in life where someone seeks a small change, it never seems to stop there, the next step is never too far away.

[Countdown]

Mr_B said:

What do you all think about the Sharia courts already operating in the UK ? I'm guessing you will possibly say they are voluntary, so what harm could there be.
For me it's already a small sign of division, and one that I don't wish to see grow. I'm not sure how and who managed to get that concession, but like most things in life where someone seeks a small change, it never seems to stop there, the next step is never too far away.

To me it’s trivial and irrelevant. If two people choose to have their affairs arbitrated by any particular body I think they should be free to do so, regardless of whether it’s the CofE, Beth Din, ACAS, or the local Tufty Club. As a muslim Sharia courts don’t have an impact on me and I’m guessing, as a non-muslim, it has even less of an impact on you? Looking at the big picture there are very few muslim countries in the world where Sharia law is applied so it’s highly unlikely that it’s going to get a foothold in the UK anytime soon.

Regardless of that, my view is as long as it doesn’t contravene the law of the land or have a negative impact on anybody else people should be free to do as they choose.

I have to admit, sometimes I get conflicting messages on PH. On the one hand people are (rightly) proud of values such as democracy, freedom, and tolerance. On the other hand some people seem to get worried and upset about others choosing to live their life in a different way.

[blindswelledrat]

Art0ir said:

smegmore said:

Then why don't you and other moderate muslims stand up, speak out and stop these nutcases from trying to enforce their malignant bullst in this country? Or is it a case of 'keeping a low profile just in case they succeed'

Serious question.

I think this is key. When the protests over the original Danish cartoons kicked off, I don't recall any major religious institution condemning the violence that followed.

Or maybe they do literally all the time and people don't take any notice because it it not as hand-wringingly newsworthy?
I haven't even done this yet but I am willing to bet that if you google "Moderate muslim condemns" you will get hundreds of what you are asking for.
THe problem is not the moderate muslims but our hysteria driven tabloid media that would prefer we were frightened of muslims.

[robmlufc]

Countdown said:

On the other hand some people seem to get worried and upset about others trying to impose their way of life in a different way.

EFA

[Countdown]

robmlufc said:

Countdown said:

On the other hand some people seem to get worried and upset about others trying to impose their way of life in a different way.

EFA

How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?

[robmlufc]

Countdown said:

How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?

There is no Muslims trying to impose Sharia zones in the UK? Really?

[HRL]

Well apparently I'm not allowed to poke fun at religion any more unless it's a religion that has no connection to Mo. What happened to freedom of speech et al?

Funny how the christians still maintain a sense of humour even when the word pope is used in the same sentence as paedo. It might offend but they don't appear to resort to death threats.

What would happen if some comedian were to do the same with Mo and mention his taste for young girls during a performance?

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?

You are a steady batsman and do well for your side.

[Countdown]

robmlufc said:

Countdown said:

How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?

There is no Muslims trying to impose Sharia zones in the UK? Really?

I kind of meant slightly more generally / more mainstream . IIRC they were trying to impose Sharia on other muslims as well. Given that it was in one or two boroughs of London, in an area with a high proportion of muslims you might assume that they would have had a lot of support. They didn't and consequently seem to have disappeared.

Any other examples ?

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

You are a steady batsman and do well for your side.

Given sufficient time and will, logic and reason can usually defeat suspicion and hysteria

[Bill]

kuzushi said:

Mermaid said:

Any idea about the population growth rates amongst Muslims/Pakistanis compared to other minorities & the rest of the population?

The fact that a form of Muhammad (spelt various ways: Mohamed, Muhammed etc..)is consistently the most common boys' name in England is a clue to what's going on.

Is it? Or is it just a sign that muslims lack imagination?

or just made up alarmist bks... http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/naming/baby-...

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

Mermaid said:

You are a steady batsman and do well for your side.

Given sufficient time and will, logic and reason can usually defeat suspicion and hysteria

I expect things will get worse before they get better, but the attitude/action of Muslim elders/spokesmen (like yourself) expressed publicly will help mitigate.

I asked on the rape gang thread - would you shop someone you know for the threat of that can help reduce such crimes.

[Mermaid]

Bill said:

or just made up alarmist bks... http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/naming/baby-...

That name thing sounds alarmist , but does not mean that the birth rate is not much significantly higher.

Edited by Mermaid on Monday 8th October 13:12

[Bill]

Mermaid said:

That name thins sounds alarmist , but does not mean that the birth rate is not much significantly higher.

It doesn't mean anything, apart from the obvious point that the alarmists are so short of actual facts they need to make them up.

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

I asked on the rape gang thread - would you shop someone you know for the threat of that can help reduce such crimes.

Thought I'd answered?

If I was sure then yes, absolutely categorically 100%.

If I wasn't sure then it would depend on how strong my suspicions were. It's a balance between stopping a particularly vile crime against making a false accusation and possibly ruining somebody's life.

[Countdown]

Mermaid said:

I expect things will get worse before they get better, but the attitude/action of Muslim elders/spokesmen (like yourself) expressed publicly will help mitigate.

Oi !!!! I'm ONLY 41