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kuzushi

226 posts

28 months

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Bill said:
kuzushi said:
Mermaid said:
Any idea about the population growth rates amongst Muslims/Pakistanis compared to other minorities & the rest of the population?
The fact that a form of Muhammad (spelt various ways: Mohamed, Muhammed etc..)is consistently the most common boys' name in England is a clue to what's going on.
Is it? Or is it just a sign that muslims lack imagination?

or just made up alarmist bks... http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/naming/baby-...
The list you post is not representative of the UKas a whole. Nationwide Muhammad or a version of it is the top boys' name.

"The names were drawn from BabyCentre parents who registered with our site in 2011."

blindswelledrat

22,538 posts

118 months

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kuzushi said:
The list you post is not representative of the UKas a whole. Nationwide Muhammad or a version of it is the top boys' name.

"The names were drawn from BabyCentre parents who registered with our site in 2011."
Did you really just post that directly below my post?
How you can be so blind to actual facts in your search to post alarmist hand-wringing stuff bewilders me.

Ill say it again

Okay, actual facts from the office of national statistics:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-referenc...

If you total the three variants of Mohammed, it is about the third most popular name.
Merely twisted statistics that only show that muslims arent particularly flexible on names.
TO put it another way, there are only 3 muslim names in the top 100 most popular names and they are ALL Mohamed variants. The statistic is hugely misleading and completely 'daily mail'

kuzushi

226 posts

28 months

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blindswelledrat said:
Did you really just post that directly below my post?
How you can be so blind to actual facts in your search to post alarmist hand-wringing stuff bewilders me.

Ill say it again

Okay, actual facts from the office of national statistics:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-referenc...

If you total the three variants of Mohammed, it is about the third most popular name.
Merely twisted statistics that only show that muslims arent particularly flexible on names.
TO put it another way, there are only 3 muslim names in the top 100 most popular names and they are ALL Mohamed variants. The statistic is hugely misleading and completely 'daily mail'
It varies from year to year. Sometimes it comes top, sometimes it comes third. It's not about posting alarmist handwringing stuff. It's an indicator of the reality of the situation. It's funny to say a statistic is misleading. A statistic is a statistic. You have to know how to draw the right conclusions from any statistic. You point out that Muhammad (or variants of it)is the only muslim name in the top 100, which gives more clarification on the situation.

Pesty

30,713 posts

142 months

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Well if this does not get the French up in arms nothing will. The like their Wine.



Yesterday Way Down Market Avignon Nimes, Muslims threatened merchants who sell wine, a butcher who sells pork and charcuterie, as well as merchants who sell "light clothing", and have forbidden to return under pain of death.

A few months ago already, a butcher who nevertheless had a good customer, had disappeared overnight without anyone understanding says a local resident.

In June, the mall market was destroyed by fire, and the locals had created a group to complain about the increasing violence of Muslim youths without nothing effective is done by the municipality.

http://www.dreuz.info/2012/09/scoop-a-nimes-des-co...

Pesty

30,713 posts

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closer to home. This is interesting

Members of a Muslim sect persecuted in Pakistan have called for action to prevent groups from peddling hate against them in the UK.

The Ahmadiyya community in the UK says it is being targeted through various media and in mosques and conferences by behaviour that it says amounts to religious hatred but is not caught by the definition of that offence under UK law.

The community moved its headquarters to the UK in the 1980s after the Pakistani government passed a law forbidding Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims and curbing their religious practices.

They were also hounded in Pakistan by Islamic groups that have set up UK satellite offices and are doing the same here, according to Naseer Din, president of the London Ahmadiyya community. "They are advocating sectarianism in Pakistan and creating hatred," he said. "These [same] groups are coming here and creating the same hatred … There is indoctrination going on in the Muslim community."

"This view has also prompted opprobrium on Asian community TV channels operating out of the UK. In May this year the media watchdog, Ofcom, found the Manchester-based Asian television network DM Digital to be in breach of rule 4.2 of its broadcasting code, forbidding abusive treatment of religious views, after an Islamic scholar on one of its programmes stated that the late founder of the Ahmadiyya community was "an apostate and one who deserves to be killed". Takbeer TV has also been censured by Ofcom."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/07/ahmadi...

Edited by Pesty on Monday 8th October 18:56

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s1962a

1,501 posts

48 months

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Pesty said:
closer to home. This is interesting

Members of a Muslim sect persecuted in Pakistan have called for action to prevent groups from peddling hate against them in the UK.

The Ahmadiyya community in the UK says it is being targeted through various media and in mosques and conferences by behaviour that it says amounts to religious hatred but is not caught by the definition of that offence under UK law.

The community moved its headquarters to the UK in the 1980s after the Pakistani government passed a law forbidding Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims and curbing their religious practices.

They were also hounded in Pakistan by Islamic groups that have set up UK satellite offices and are doing the same here, according to Naseer Din, president of the London Ahmadiyya community. "They are advocating sectarianism in Pakistan and creating hatred," he said. "These [same] groups are coming here and creating the same hatred … There is indoctrination going on in the Muslim community."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/07/ahmadi...
Have you seen these bus adverts?





Thats from the Ahmadiyya community in London

Mermaid

18,181 posts

57 months

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Pesty said:
Well if this does not get the French up in arms nothing will. The like their Wine.



Yesterday Way Down Market Avignon Nimes, Muslims threatened merchants who sell wine, a butcher who sells pork and charcuterie, as well as merchants who sell "light clothing", and have forbidden to return under pain of death.

A few months ago already, a butcher who nevertheless had a good customer, had disappeared overnight without anyone understanding says a local resident.

In June, the mall market was destroyed by fire, and the locals had created a group to complain about the increasing violence of Muslim youths without nothing effective is done by the municipality.

http://www.dreuz.info/2012/09/scoop-a-nimes-des-co...
Didn't Countdown say:

"How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?"

Pesty

30,713 posts

142 months

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s1962a said:
Have you seen these bus adverts?

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Thats from the Ahmadiyya community in London
No, Whats that all about then.

968

9,617 posts

134 months

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Mermaid said:
Didn't Countdown say:

"How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?"
That's France, not the UK. I very much doubt that this sort of thing happens a lot. The very fact that it makes the news suggests that it's a rare occurrence.

Bill

32,062 posts

141 months

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968 said:
That's France, not the UK. I very much doubt that this sort of thing happens a lot. The very fact that it makes the news suggests that it's a rare occurrence.
Except I can't find anything about it outside blogs...

Countdown

10,330 posts

82 months

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Mermaid said:
Pesty said:
Well if this does not get the French up in arms nothing will. The like their Wine.



Yesterday Way Down Market Avignon Nimes, Muslims threatened merchants who sell wine, a butcher who sells pork and charcuterie, as well as merchants who sell "light clothing", and have forbidden to return under pain of death.

A few months ago already, a butcher who nevertheless had a good customer, had disappeared overnight without anyone understanding says a local resident.

In June, the mall market was destroyed by fire, and the locals had created a group to complain about the increasing violence of Muslim youths without nothing effective is done by the municipality.

http://www.dreuz.info/2012/09/scoop-a-nimes-des-co...
Didn't Countdown say:

"How do muslims impose their (our) way of life on others?"
From my very limited French dreuz.info appears to be a far right website. Googling keywords from the article only brings up other extremist websites.

I'm not saying it didn't happen - however it would be useful if somebody could provide links to a mainstream English website?

Pesty

30,713 posts

142 months

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Countdown said:
From my very limited French dreuz.info appears to be a far right website. Googling keywords from the article only brings up other extremist websites.

I'm not saying it didn't happen - however it would be useful if somebody could provide links to a mainstream English website?
Good point. French isn't my strong point. Feel free to disregard.

Countdown

10,330 posts

82 months

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Pesty said:
Countdown said:
From my very limited French dreuz.info appears to be a far right website. Googling keywords from the article only brings up other extremist websites.

I'm not saying it didn't happen - however it would be useful if somebody could provide links to a mainstream English website?
Good point. French isn't my strong point. Feel free to disregard.
No problem. It doesn't appear to be a big fan of Jewish people either, from what I can make out.

Pesty

30,713 posts

142 months

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I don't like links from far right sources. I know what ours are over here but obviously have no idea about foreign ones.

I would suggest anything from a site like that should be taken with a pinch of salt unless backed up by something more serious.

Bill

32,062 posts

141 months

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Pesty said:
I don't like links from far right sources. I know what ours are over here but obviously have no idea about foreign ones.

I would suggest anything from a site like that should be taken with a pinch of salt unless backed up by something more serious.
thumbup The comments at the bottom are a heap of pro Le Pen backslapping.

Pesty

30,713 posts

142 months

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So its their version of the mail then smile

essexplumber

7,405 posts

59 months

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As a Muslim, would you not prefer it if everybody was also Muslim?

Mermaid

18,181 posts

57 months

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essexplumber said:
As a Muslim, would you not prefer it if everybody was also Muslim?
Sunni/Shia/Alawite wink

Mermaid

18,181 posts

57 months

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essexplumber said:
As a Muslim, would you not prefer it if everybody was also Muslim?
Sunni/Shia/Alawite wink

Mermaid

18,181 posts

57 months

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essexplumber said:
As a Muslim, would you not prefer it if everybody was also Muslim?
Sunni/Shia/Alawite wink
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