Muslim protests in UK

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robmlufc

5,227 posts

185 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Countdown said:
It's complete lunacy. The person who killed him appears to be an extreme social misfit and a life sentence seems appropriate.
So a random attack by a social misfit?

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

231 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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robmlufc said:
blindswelledrat said:
I dont remember anyone being beheaded for doing a cartoon.
Could you link this extraordinary event that I have missed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

Well they had a go at beheading anyway, I guess that makes it ok.

Perhaps you should brush up on current affairs eh.
Fair enough.
Personally, I reckon that Anders Brevik bloke from Norway trumps that murder if we are playing a "muslim vs christianity unnccesary killing" game.
Technically he didnt behead anyone either, but he did do some quite bad stuff.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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robmlufc said:
Countdown said:
It's complete lunacy. The person who killed him appears to be an extreme social misfit and a life sentence seems appropriate.
So a random attack by a social misfit?
It wasn't random. It was specifically targetted (at least that's how it appears to me). And social misfit may be a bit of an understatement. I'd consider him mentally deranged.

Jandywa

1,058 posts

150 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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robmlufc said:
I don't remember the Monty Python team being beheaded over The Life of Brian? Unless you know otherwise? You could always start a thread about Christian extremism if you wanted.

I think we devote so much time to Muslim extremists because they are the ones currently trying to hijack aircraft and blow joe public up on our own streets.

Edited by robmlufc on Tuesday 9th October 12:22
this!

Doogs

70 posts

169 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Countdown said:
It wasn't random. It was specifically targetted (at least that's how it appears to me). And social misfit may be a bit of an understatement. I'd consider him mentally deranged.
A quick google images search for 'Muslim protests' appears to show a large number of people around the globe share the same opinions as this 'mentally deranged' chap.

ps I dont disagree with you Countdown.


grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Doogs said:
A quick google images search for 'Muslim protests' appears to show a large number of people around the globe share the same opinions as this 'mentally deranged' chap.
You misunderstand. These are all lone individuals.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Peace be upon him.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

230 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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blindswelledrat said:
Fair enough.
Personally, I reckon that Anders Brevik bloke from Norway trumps that murder if we are playing a "muslim vs christianity unnccesary killing" game.
Technically he didnt behead anyone either, but he did do some quite bad stuff.
The "reasoning" (if one can use that word) behind ABBs actions is directly tied together with an overly PC official standpoint for a foreign culture that is very different to the historically old and strong culture of the country itself.

What he did was not right in any form or meaning, but neither is selling out the own culture for purely PC reasons.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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grumbledoak said:
You misunderstand. These are all lone individuals.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Peace be upon him.
smile
Muslims need a good PR campaign, seriously.

kuzushi

226 posts

141 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Finlandia said:
The "reasoning" (if one can use that word) behind ABBs actions is directly tied together with an overly PC official standpoint for a foreign culture that is very different to the historically old and strong culture of the country itself.

What he did was not right in any form or meaning, but neither is selling out the own culture for purely PC reasons.
This is my view of things regarding islam. The terrorism angle isn't such a strong thing for me. Muslims do seem to be very irascible, but they don't have a monopoly on terrorism. I remember a lot more disruption and bloodshed caused by the IRA when they were active than has been caused by muslims. But what really gets my goat is the apparent selling-out of our native culture. I feel there should be much more emphasis on the adage "When in Rome, do as the Romans". I like muslim countries. I have lived in two muslim countries in my time. But I also like my own non-muslim country the way it is. We have a Christian heritage (even if we are now in many regards a post-Christian society really) and we do not want our country turned into a muslim one thank you very much.
This next sentence isn't going to be very PC, but when I hear talk of "Muslim areas" in our country, something is wrong: there shouldn't be muslim areas IMO.


Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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kuzushi said:
This next sentence isn't going to be very PC, but when I hear talk of "Muslim areas" in our country, something is wrong: there shouldn't be muslim areas IMO.
I agree with the sentiment, but in reality I suppose happens everywhere - Chinatown, Italian quarter, little india. Yet I would visit & have.

What is more relevant to me is that Luton/Bradford types of town send out the wrong message.

twisted2fit

118 posts

215 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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there shouldnt be muslim areas in this country is a hilarious statement if its made on the basis of muslims/islam being foreign.

Christianity was imported. Should there not be christian areas too?

s1962a

5,263 posts

161 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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kuzushi said:
We have a Christian heritage (even if we are now in many regards a post-Christian society really) and we do not want our country turned into a muslim one thank you very much.
Neither do I and i'm a muslim. I think you'll find the vast majority of muslims don't as well. There may be a small minority who want 'Islam4UK' but they are nutters that no sane person would agree with. Saying that though, lets not confuse our country 'turning into a muslim' one with women wearing hijab or men sporting beards etc.


Marf

22,907 posts

240 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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twisted2fit said:
there shouldnt be muslim areas in this country is a hilarious statement if its made on the basis of muslims/islam being foreign.

Christianity was imported. Should there not be christian areas too?
It'd be nice if the UK was a religion free zone smile

Ditto the world.

Like I've said before, put a button in front of me which rids the world of religion and I'll happily press it.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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s1962a said:
Saying that though, lets not confuse our country turning into a muslim one with women wearing hijab or men sporting beards etc.
Actually I don't think anyone has AFAIK - or with Jewish people wearing heavy religious clothing or Indians wearing Saris or Jamaicans sporting dreadlocks.

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Countdown said:
Cobnapint said:
Countdown said:
Regardless of that, my view is as long as it doesn’t contravene the law of the land or have a negative impact on anybody else people should be free to do as they choose.

On the other hand some people seem to get worried and upset about others choosing to live their life in a different way. confused
But thats the point, many muslims HAVE had a negative impact on many others, and in the process have used their religion as the justification for doing so.
Of course many non-muslims also have negative impacts on society too, but they don't use their religious brainwashing as the reason.
My original response was in relation to general co-existence betwen muslims and non-muslims in the UK. I don't think there's an issue and nothing I've seen posted on here makes me think otherwise. Could you give me ane example of how brainwashed muslims living in the UK have had an impact on your life?
FORTUNATELY, they haven't - YET. But thats only because I happened not to be at any of the qouted UK locations when they thought it would be a neat idea to show us just how 'peacefull' they were.

RIP the 7/7 victims.

kuzushi

226 posts

141 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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s1962a said:
Saying that though, lets not confuse our country 'turning into a muslim' one with women wearing hijab or men sporting beards etc.
Some people might not think this is very PC but I actually do see women in headscarves etc. as a visible sign of the islamification of our country and I don't like it TBO. (Even in some muslim countries the wearing of headscarves is a contentious issue eg. in Turkey the headscarf is a key issue in the struggle to keep Turkey a secular state, and is banned for those working in the public sector or even for university students.)

Like I said before, when in Rome do as the Romans. If you choose to come to live in Britain for whatever reason (presumably because you think it's better than where you've come from or else you'd have stayed there) you should be prepared to adopt British values and customs eg. not wearing a headscarf. If I were a woman I wouldn't expect to go to Saudi Arabia and be able to exercise my right to go around in a mini-skirt. You can be a muslim, but you don't have to go around flaunting it.

I think there are two types of muslim: those who have assimilated or are assimilating and those who have not and will not. It's the latter category I take issue with, and I include the headscarf-wearing brigade in that. They're not assimilated enough.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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To be honest there's lots of sartorial choices I fnd offensive. Fortunately for others we live in a free country.

Many of those that wear headscarves were born in this country. As such they have the same rights as you or I. If you don't like it do what they do in Saudi Arabia and change the Law.


essexplumber

7,749 posts

172 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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kuzushi said:
Some people might not think this is very PC but I actually do see women in headscarves etc. as a visible sign of the islamification of our country and I don't like it TBO. (Even in some muslim countries the wearing of headscarves is a contentious issue eg. in Turkey the headscarf is a key issue in the struggle to keep Turkey a secular state, and is banned for those working in the public sector or even for university students.)

Like I said before, when in Rome do as the Romans. If you choose to come to live in Britain for whatever reason (presumably because you think it's better than where you've come from or else you'd have stayed there) you should be prepared to adopt British values and customs eg. not wearing a headscarf. If I were a woman I wouldn't expect to go to Saudi Arabia and be able to exercise my right to go around in a mini-skirt. You can be a muslim, but you don't have to go around flaunting it.

I think there are two types of muslim: those who have assimilated or are assimilating and those who have not and will not. It's the latter category I take issue with, and I include the headscarf-wearing brigade in that. They're not assimilated enough.
This. How can anyone disagree with any of that?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Cobnapint said:
FORTUNATELY, they haven't - YET. But thats only because I happened not to be at any of the qouted UK locations when they thought it would be a neat idea to show us just how 'peacefull' they were.

RIP the 7/7 victims.
Are you worried about the Irish as well?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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essexplumber said:
This. How can anyone disagree with any of that?
I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?