Muslim protests in UK

[Greg_D]

Countdown said:

essexplumber said:

This. How can anyone disagree with any of that?

I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?

I get the impression you are being wilfully obstinate now. He clearly isn't talking about someone walking around in White jeans or a trilby being offensive. To deny that the hijab is a sign of female repression is quite frankly silly. It transcends the definition of cultural clothing in a way that the sari doesn't.

[s1962a]

Greg_D said:

Countdown said:

essexplumber said:

This. How can anyone disagree with any of that?

I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?

I get the impression you are being wilfully obstinate now. He clearly isn't talking about someone walking around in White jeans or a trilby being offensive. To deny that the hijab is a sign of female repression is quite frankly silly. It transcends the definition of cultural clothing in a way that the sari doesn't.

This was talked about a few pages back. It's how they choose to dress and fair play to them, it's their choice. Same way a women wearing a sari or a bloke wearing a turban has decided to dress that way.

[Countdown]

Greg_D said:

I get the impression you are being wilfully obstinate now. He clearly isn't talking about someone walking around in White jeans or a trilby being offensive. To deny that the hijab is a sign of female repression is quite frankly silly. It transcends the definition of cultural clothing in a way that the sari doesn't.

He was talking about headscarves, not a hijab.

With regards to female repression - give me a break. Asian / Muslim women I've met are no likely to be any more repressed than any other kind.

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

He was talking about headscarves, not a hijab.

With regards to female repression - give me a break. Asian / Muslim women I've met are no likely to be any more repressed than any other kind.

Not at all a fan of these on UK streets.

[essexplumber]

Countdown said:

I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?

How many other faiths cover their faces?

[s1962a]

Mermaid said:

Not at all a fan of these on UK streets.

I'm sure you're pretty well informed, but you do realise none of those are hijabs right?

The first one is scary - ever seen one of those on UK streets?

[s1962a]

essexplumber said:

Countdown said:

I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?

How many other faiths cover their faces?

The hijab is the headscarf, not the face covering. That's a contentious issue, even amongst muslims.

[Mermaid]

s1962a said:

I'm sure you're pretty well informed, but you do realise none of those are hijabs right?

The first one is scary - ever seen one of those on UK streets?

Sure, it was just an illustration to show the difference.

Ever walked down Edgware Road? I suspect these are Arab women.

[Mermaid]

Niqab worn on a UK street.



A debate for & against banning the Burkha in the UK

http://newhumanist.org.uk/2368/should-britain-ban-...

Edited by Mermaid on Tuesday 9th October 22:36

[s1962a]

Mermaid said:

Niqab worn on a UK street.

The niqab is a contentious issue. I personally don't think they are right, but if someone chooses to wear it then it's their right to do so.

Here's a e-petition poll

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/6497

400 odd signatures

[Mermaid]

s1962a said:

The niqab is a contentious issue. I personally don't think they are right, but if someone chooses to wear it then it's their right to do so.

I don't, unless you are in Saudi/Pakistan etc.

[s1962a]

Mermaid said:

s1962a said:

The niqab is a contentious issue. I personally don't think they are right, but if someone chooses to wear it then it's their right to do so.

I don't, unless you are in Saudi/Pakistan etc.

Fair point. Whats your view on someone wearing a hijab or a tichel?

[kuzushi]

essexplumber said:

This. How can anyone disagree with any of that?

Very true, but not everyone is as sensible as us.

Countdown said:

I disagree with it. Deciding what somebody can and cannot wear seems (to me) a significant restriction on personal freedom.

Is it just going to be Muslim dress? What about orthodox Jews? Hindu women in saris? Sikhs in turbans?

I think islam is the only problem religion really.

None of the other ones you mention are proselytising religions, none of the others are interested in turning Britain into a Jewish, Hindu or Sikh country. That's the difference.


Islam is a proselytising religion (like Christianity). It wants to convert everybody.

Islam has this goal, and in a way muslims who share this goal can be said to do so with the best of motives. I mean, according to islamic belief, all non-muslims are destined for eternal torture in hell, so if Britain became a muslim country they would think they were saving us from that.

IMO they are wrong, their religion is false, but they are free to believe what they like as long as they don't inflict it on me, and that includes their headscarves.

[Mermaid]

s1962a said:

Fair point. Whats your view on someone wearing a hijab or a tichel?

Nice & bright coloured ones please.

If i cannot see a person's face/eyes, it makes me very uncomfortable dealing with that person.

Same as full face helmets & dark visors.

[StottyZr]

Mermaid said:

s1962a said:

The niqab is a contentious issue. I personally don't think they are right, but if someone chooses to wear it then it's their right to do so.

I don't, unless you are in Saudi/Pakistan etc.

Why not? Were in the UK, you can wear what you want aslong as your bits are covered up.

Its not exactly threatening dress.

[StottyZr]

Mermaid said:

If i cannot see a person's face/eyes, it makes me very uncomfortable dealing with that person.

Then your a bit of a twitchy sensitive soul. Get over it.

[Tunku]

StottyZr said:

Mermaid said:

If i cannot see a person's face/eyes, it makes me very uncomfortable dealing with that person.

Then your a bit of a twitchy sensitive soul. Get over it.

I agree with Mermaid.
I was born and bred in the Far East. I don't like being near someone dressed like a Star Wars assassin, not only are they completely anonymous, they look sinister and god knows what they are hiding under all that cloth.
On the other hand, my mother used to wear a headscarf out East when driving her Triumph Herald convertible. No religious reason, just kept her hair out of her face.

[kuzushi]

This excellent video explains the link between islam and violence. It's called "Islam: what the West needs to know", and includes an interview with a former muslim terrorist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=krvCQbzPKi...

Edited by kuzushi on Wednesday 10th October 05:10

[Muntu]

kuzushi said:

This excellent video explains the link between islam and violence. It's called "Islam: what the West needs to know", and includes an interview with a former muslim terrorist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=krvCQbzPKi...

Edited by kuzushi on Wednesday 10th October 05:10

This interview 'with big Mo' is quite enlightening too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

[grumbledoak]

StottyZr said:

Then your a bit of a twitchy sensitive soul. Get over it.

ahole. Get over yourself.


Check our history - trial by combat, jousting, duelling, stupidly standing in ranks against cannon or cavalry charges. We despise spies (execution for them, not P.O.W) and still have the phrase 'Black Knight' though few know what it really meant. We, and other warrior cultures such as e.g. the Japanese, the Polynesians, the ancient Spartans, find face-to-face combat honourable and sometimes glorious. Like unseen opponents, we culturally dislike hidden faces.

Amusing though it is to think that fat, hairy women should be made to cover up or stay home, and God knows the North should have thought of it long ago, dislike of the niqab/burka is quite understandable. I think we should change the law to reflect and protect our cultural heritage. Others do.

Edited by grumbledoak on Wednesday 10th October 07:32