Why does everyone hate teachers?
Discussion
johnfm said:
Many teachers don't earn the pay or the holidays.
Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
And the kids.Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
What difference would it make to the economy (not being pedantic, I'd like to know?)
johnfm said:
Many teachers don't earn the pay or the holidays.
Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
Why would this be beneficial? Are you just guessing? Applying "common sense"?Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
If you look at school systems worldwide, Finland has amongst the most impressive educational result, and yet they have amongst the lowest in terms of classroom hours and don't start formal education until seven years old. They don't do much homework at all. They also don't assess the kids in terms of grading until they are very much older than in the UK. One aspect that might be important is that teaching, as a profession, is very highly regarded over there.
I don't get on with the woe is me story when they moan about marking in an evening.
My old school knocked off at 2.20 for Christ sake!
End of the day, if you don't like it, don't do it. Don't moan on social media that you're hard done by because you're working at 6.45pm.
And ray luxury yacht, leaning the house at 8 and not back till half 6 is I would imagine the bare minimum for most London workers. It isn't a long day.
My old school knocked off at 2.20 for Christ sake!
End of the day, if you don't like it, don't do it. Don't moan on social media that you're hard done by because you're working at 6.45pm.
And ray luxury yacht, leaning the house at 8 and not back till half 6 is I would imagine the bare minimum for most London workers. It isn't a long day.
okgo said:
And ray luxury yacht, leaning the house at 8 and not back till half 6 is I would imagine the bare minimum for most London workers. It isn't a long day.
Agreed, it's not - I'm an ex London worker in senior management myself, so am acutely aware of the life-sapping hours required 
Just trying to de-bunk the myth that teachers all do 6-hour days, is all
miniman said:
johnfm said:
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
Very interesting point. Having just finished our first summer holiday, I would sign up for that like a shot. 
Seems to me that holidays are when we allow children to be children - they've the rest of their lives to live the 20 days of holiday a year treadmill.
I think teachers might be better thought of if more of them spent more of their working lives outside academia - there does seem to be a tendency to retain attitudes that the rest of us get knocked out of us after university.
I think teachers might be better thought of if more of them spent more of their working lives outside academia - there does seem to be a tendency to retain attitudes that the rest of us get knocked out of us after university.
nadger said:
but the sheer number of responses makes me think that perhaps there is a genuine dislike for teachers in the uk now. If this is the case, I'd really appreciate it if people would explain it to me!
Is it because they're always moaning about how hard they work yet some seem to have time to make 100 posts on a motoring forum in their first month! 
aizvara said:
johnfm said:
Many teachers don't earn the pay or the holidays.
Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
Why would this be beneficial? Are you just guessing? Applying "common sense"?Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
If you look at school systems worldwide, Finland has amongst the most impressive educational result, and yet they have amongst the lowest in terms of classroom hours and don't start formal education until seven years old. They don't do much homework at all. They also don't assess the kids in terms of grading until they are very much older than in the UK. One aspect that might be important is that teaching, as a profession, is very highly regarded over there.
More importantly, having longer to learn enables the lesser talented children to not fall so far behind. The extra learning time allows a class to progress at the rate of the lesser academic children. In addition, the additional time in school make up for the significant difference in learning outcomes for those from lower socio-economic backgrounds, where the children do not read, learn or study as much as 'middle class kids' over the holidays.
I'll try to dig out the names of the studies - trialled with some success in inner city schools in the US.
Apart from the benefit to the children, the parents (again, mainly the low paid who cannot afford £30/day summer camp) would be better off, as would their employers.
The economy, in a few years, will greatly benefit from kids who can read, write, spell and do simple maths.
The only losers in this are teachers and people who run summer camps for kids.
otolith said:
Seems to me that holidays are when we allow children to be children - they've the rest of their lives to live the 20 days of holiday a year treadmill.
I think teachers might be better thought of if more of them spent more of their working lives outside academia - there does seem to be a tendency to retain attitudes that the rest of us get knocked out of us after university.
Children can be children all day after school and all weekend. I think teachers might be better thought of if more of them spent more of their working lives outside academia - there does seem to be a tendency to retain attitudes that the rest of us get knocked out of us after university.
They don't have bills to pay, mortgages, the responsibility of looking after children.
There is no logical reason for kids to have 8 weeks off school in summer. If you wanted to design a method to enable children to learn really important things, the last thing you would do is schedule an 8 week break into that method.
It serves no useful purpose to anyone other than airlines, holiday companies and summer camps and childminders!
Roll eyes at people constantly banging on about teachers holidays. In my family me and my brother are about the only people who aren't teachers of some sort. My Mum was a Deputy Head in a Senior School, my Aunty was a Headteacher in a Junior School. My Dad is a University Lecturer..Uncle a Headteacher in a Senior School. It was/is a daily occurrence in my family that the Teachers spend several hours a night working on lesson plans, marking, research etc..generally only taking a break for dinner...holidays are vital to good teachers. The bad ones may put in less hours at home but they get found out if not doing any after hours prep. Members of my family who,are teachers also regularly put their hands in their own pockets to provide resources that should be financed by the state.
I know I couldn't do the job, as I like to leave my work at the office door. If you take into account all this extra work it makes a teachers hourly rate pretty poor when compared to other professions. Taken in the context of ever weakened terms and conditions, parents/children who know their rights but not their responsibilities and the Tory Government now demanding after hours work on the premises!?..no thanks! Teachers have my utmost respect. However the likes of Mitchell would also see Teachers as Plebs too. Much better to be a banker ( sounds like)..
I know I couldn't do the job, as I like to leave my work at the office door. If you take into account all this extra work it makes a teachers hourly rate pretty poor when compared to other professions. Taken in the context of ever weakened terms and conditions, parents/children who know their rights but not their responsibilities and the Tory Government now demanding after hours work on the premises!?..no thanks! Teachers have my utmost respect. However the likes of Mitchell would also see Teachers as Plebs too. Much better to be a banker ( sounds like)..
It's a bloody hard job. The worst part being that they have to take so much work home. If they just worked in the time they're paid for they'd be laughing. But a considerable amount of the holiday they get is really just claiming back time they've already spent elsewhere, planning lessons or marking books or whatever in a system that seems to be ever more focused on self assessment and evaluation. It is certainly not a job I would do.
For me, it is simply this. For all my peers who entered the teaching 'profession', only one did so as a result of a passion for the job. The remainder found that after completing a third-rate degree from a red-brick uni that they were effectively unemployable (or rather, couldn't find employment to meet their unrealistic high expectations), and so fell into teaching as a last resort.
Add to that the fact that many teachers abuse their position to spout left wing b
ks in an attempt to brainwash the next generation (mine certainly tried, but failed), and you see where the hatred starts.
I don't care about the holidays, I only work 6 months a year.
Add to that the fact that many teachers abuse their position to spout left wing b
ks in an attempt to brainwash the next generation (mine certainly tried, but failed), and you see where the hatred starts.I don't care about the holidays, I only work 6 months a year.
Caulkhead said:
Is it because they're always moaning about how hard they work yet some seem to have time to make 100 posts on a motoring forum in their first month!
Ha ha, busted! Lunchtime postings mainly tbh!Seriously though, I'm not moaning about anything I don't think? I'm genuinely interested as to why attitudes towards teachers seem so deeply divided when in other countries (especially Scandinavia in my experience) seem to have a far more post prove attitude towards them.
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