Why does everyone hate teachers?
Discussion
Lotusevoraboy said:
TankRizzo said:
Du1point8 said:
1) that the Phers who are teachers and stating their OH/they do XX hours a day working and its basically teach and sleep.
2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
Pointers, as far as SWMBO's school is concerned it's all three. As I speak she's writing reports and marking downstairs and has been since 7pm, will probably finish at 10pm. However:2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
- She has colleagues who are in at 8am, gone by 5pm and have a smallish amount of work - usually these teachers don't hold TLRs or any other responsibility outside normal teaching.
- She also has colleagues (I know of one who teaches metalworking) who get in at 8:30am and are gone by 3:20pm every day, with hardly any work in the evenings at all.
Teachers work hard. Damned hard. On behalf of your children. Don't hate them. Here endeth the thread I hope.
TankRizzo said:
Du1point8 said:
1) that the Phers who are teachers and stating their OH/they do XX hours a day working and its basically teach and sleep.
2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
Pointers, as far as SWMBO's school is concerned it's all three. As I speak she's writing reports and marking downstairs and has been since 7pm, will probably finish at 10pm. However:2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
- She has colleagues who are in at 8am, gone by 5pm and have a smallish amount of work - usually these teachers don't hold TLRs or any other responsibility outside normal teaching.
- She also has colleagues (I know of one who teaches metalworking) who get in at 8:30am and are gone by 3:20pm every day, with hardly any work in the evenings at all.
You get out what you put in.
Some could and probably do teach all their lessons from a textbooks, the kids work in silence and are punished harshly and the teacher leaves at 3pm having done little. In my experience I don't see how could last long at that but there you go.
Usually you find a balance. I've just finished training so I'm not a fantastic example as I still spend a lot of excess time planning interesting lessons and putting together resources. As time goes on I'll build up a useful bank of them and my time will be consumed by other things. It already is in fact.
I usually leave school about 4.30 having arrived at or before 7.30, only exception is Friday where I try to make myself leave a bit early. However during the week this isn't really happening anymore. Wednesdays I am running an after school GCSE Astronomy club, that's an extra 2 hours there, tomorrow is parents evening so I'll probably be there till 5, nip around to Asda or a mates for 1/2 hour to grab a sausage roll, back in school before 6 and we'll finish at 8 or 9 depending on how busy we are. From next week we're running a Lego club on Thursday after school for 3 groups and after half term until I usually run a Ski Club at the local dry-slope, not usually done there until 7ish once all the kids are got home safely.
Give me a few years and I'll either be a gibbering wreck or a moaning pain in the arse like the rest but for the moment I'll keep putting what I can into it.
If people choose to hate me then fair enough but I'm doing what I can.
RYH64E said:
Lotusevoraboy said:
This. Today I left for work at 7:45 am, travelled 35 miles, had a meeting with the leaders of the school from 8:40 until 9:00, then extolled the benefits of charitable giving to 30 11-16 year olds...they were really interested. I then led a comparison of the impact of aerial bombing in WW1 and WW2 with 30 15-16 year olds, then taught 36 14-15 year olds about the class differences on board Titanic, then, in what should apparently have been my lunch mentored a new colleague for an hour. I then taught another 34 14-15 year olds about the formation, structure and relative strengths and weaknesses of the League of Nations. I then taught 36 11-12 year olds about the formation of the Roman Empire. I then drove 15 miles to attend a presentation of 4 teachers relating to a leadership and management project they had been doing until 6pm. I then came home and have just finished working on preparing for the A level I will teach tomorrow, a weekly task that takes at least 5/6 hours of my time every week. My wife, also a teacher and seven months pregnant has had a review/parents evening tonight and got in at 8:30pm....how we will cope when baby comes I will never know. Tomorrow I am working all day then going back to work at 10:30 pm, travelling to Dover overnight on a coach with 50 teenagers across to the battlefields of Belgium. This will last all weekend, returning at 9pm on Sunday. I will be back at work on Monday at 8:20
am for another full week having had no weekend off. Last week OFSTED were in so you can imagine the hours put in then too...two all dayers and bed at 1:30 amers. I will get no thanks...only complaints all week and parents haranguing the office for me to ring them...urgently....and moans from about a dozen kids saying, "sir, why aint ya marked me book yet?"
Teachers work hard. Damned hard. On behalf of your children. Don't hate them. Here endeth the thread I hope.
You've only been back to work for a couple of weeks, and it's not long till half term when you can have a well earned rest to prepare for the month and a bit slog till Christmas.am for another full week having had no weekend off. Last week OFSTED were in so you can imagine the hours put in then too...two all dayers and bed at 1:30 amers. I will get no thanks...only complaints all week and parents haranguing the office for me to ring them...urgently....and moans from about a dozen kids saying, "sir, why aint ya marked me book yet?"
Teachers work hard. Damned hard. On behalf of your children. Don't hate them. Here endeth the thread I hope.
Lotusevoraboy said:
I speak as a teacher and can tell you that while on paper the holidays seem great, in reality the hours put in during term time more than outweigh this. It is an utterly exhausting and thankless job that routinely sees me leave the house at 7:40 and return, if I am lucky at 6:30pm, eat and then work again until 10 or 10:30pm and yet there is never a single day that I can go to bed and think, yep, I am on top of everything. Last week OFSTED did us the pleasure of dropping by too, cue working until 1:30am two nights running, getting to work and seeing an email sent by the head at 06:00 asking for a set of books for OFSTED to trawl through to check for quality of marking. The inspector then dropped in and despite my class exceeding the national averages for similar schools and all schools nationwide by some margin in terms of A*/A (32%) and A*-C (79%) he concluded the lesson could have been more dynamic and demonstrated more progress. The day after pupils then sit and say, after producing a half hearted piece of prose the day before, sir, " sir, you ain't marked me book yet". Last year one kid, who could not fit my subject on on his timetable, was given one on one coaching at lunch and after school by me. He got an A grade yet on results day emailed the Head complaining, saying if he knew he would not have got a A* then he would have retaken a unit. I was asked "how i respond to this" charge it seemed. Literally no thanks, ever, from anyone. A non teacher can never understand. Working a 'normal' job, whiling away the hours and clock watching until 5pm, leaving work and it literally not entering your head until the next morning and wishing the days away until the weekend so you can get pissed, even though you may not get as many 'holiday's', must be blissful. Life would be a holiday.
Also, people should ask themselves, if a teacher starts at 9 and finishes at 3, as is popularly thought it seems, then when are the lessons planned, PowerPoints created, worksheets made, card sorts cut, books and assessments marked, Schemes of work written, development plans drawn up, classrooms tidied and even repainted? In the 'holidays' of course.
Also, people should ask themselves, if a teacher starts at 9 and finishes at 3, as is popularly thought it seems, then when are the lessons planned, PowerPoints created, worksheets made, card sorts cut, books and assessments marked, Schemes of work written, development plans drawn up, classrooms tidied and even repainted? In the 'holidays' of course.
Lotusevoraboy said:
Today I left for work at 7:45 am, travelled 35 miles, had a meeting with the leaders of the school from 8:40 until 9:00, then extolled the benefits of charitable giving to 30 11-16 year olds...they were really interested. I then led a comparison of the impact of aerial bombing in WW1 and WW2 with 30 15-16 year olds, then taught 36 14-15 year olds about the class differences on board Titanic, then, in what should apparently have been my lunch mentored a new colleague for an hour. I then taught another 34 14-15 year olds about the formation, structure and relative strengths and weaknesses of the League of Nations. I then taught 36 11-12 year olds about the formation of the Roman Empire. I then drove 15 miles to attend a presentation of 4 teachers relating to a leadership and management project they had been doing until 6pm. I then came home and have just finished working on preparing for the A level I will teach tomorrow, a weekly task that takes at least 5/6 hours of my time every week. My wife, also a teacher and seven months pregnant has had a review/parents evening tonight and got in at 8:30pm....how we will cope when baby comes I will never know. Tomorrow I am working all day then going back to work at 10:30 pm, travelling to Dover overnight on a coach with 50 teenagers across to the battlefields of Belgium. This will last all weekend, returning at 9pm on Sunday. I will be back at work on Monday at 8:20 am for another full week having had no weekend off. Last week OFSTED were in so you can imagine the hours put in then too...two all dayers and bed at 1:30 amers. I will get no thanks...only complaints all week and parents haranguing the office for me to ring them...urgently....and moans from about a dozen kids saying, "sir, why aint ya marked me book yet?"
Lotusevoraboy said:
Yippee...can't wait for half term so I can work from home marking books, writing development plans, reading A level texts and making PowerPoints at home instead of the inconvenience of travelling to work...yesss...bring it on!
So teaching is a very poorly rewarded job which you don't seem to enjoy very much. Why do you do it?Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 26th September 23:48
TankRizzo said:
Du1point8 said:
1) that the Phers who are teachers and stating their OH/they do XX hours a day working and its basically teach and sleep.
2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
Pointers, as far as SWMBO's school is concerned it's all three. As I speak she's writing reports and marking downstairs and has been since 7pm, will probably finish at 10pm. However:2) Its a 9-5 job.
3) Its an easy job as I have been told (only in a few subjects my friends teach in)...
Its got to be one of them.
- She has colleagues who are in at 8am, gone by 5pm and have a smallish amount of work - usually these teachers don't hold TLRs or any other responsibility outside normal teaching.
- She also has colleagues (I know of one who teaches metalworking) who get in at 8:30am and are gone by 3:20pm every day, with hardly any work in the evenings at all.
My guess, it'd be somewhere in the 1960's. Just around the corner from "Heartbeat".
fbrs said:
Lotusevoraboy said:
Yippee...can't wait for half term so I can work from home marking books, writing development plans, reading A level texts and making PowerPoints at home instead of the inconvenience of travelling to work...yesss...bring it on!
So teaching is a very poorly rewarded job which you don't seem to enjoy very much. Why do you do it?But, she does need the breaks. Her management roles at various shops have over the year always demanded more from her than being a teacher does. Twelve hour days at Odd Bins on Friday, Saturday and Sunday isn't ideal!
But, during those 12hour shifts she would get to switch off.
At the end of the day, the better the morale of the teachers in the school, the better chance we have of our nations kids being enthused by education. No matter what we do in life, education one way or another is massively important. We need the variety of lessons to teach different skills and build on other area's of knowledge.
Mr Snap said:
"Metalworking?" I'd be fascinated to learn where exactly this school is located.
My guess, it'd be somewhere in the 1960's. Just around the corner from "Heartbeat".
It's something like that. What do they call it? He teaches the kids to make shapes out of metal and stuff. My guess, it'd be somewhere in the 1960's. Just around the corner from "Heartbeat".
Edit: just looked him up on the school site, it's "Design Technology".
TankRizzo said:
Mr Snap said:
"Metalworking?" I'd be fascinated to learn where exactly this school is located.
My guess, it'd be somewhere in the 1960's. Just around the corner from "Heartbeat".
It's something like that. What do they call it? He teaches the kids to make shapes out of metal and stuff. My guess, it'd be somewhere in the 1960's. Just around the corner from "Heartbeat".
Edit: just looked him up on the school site, it's "Design Technology".
Like any workshop based trade, everything is meticulously planned in advance to achieve success. Tools, for instance are allocated specific places and at the end of the day/lesson everything is checked back in to place. Workshops are meticulously tidied by the kids themselves for reasons of H&S - meaning that less teacher hours are spent tidying up classrooms, it's all part of standard workshop discipline and utterly different to the approach in any other subject.
People teaching 'resistant materials' can't take work home for marking because it's completely impractical. Not unless they have a Bedford truck and a spare room the size of a tennis court.
DT is practical, so teachers tend to give out very little homework. Telling a kid to go home to plane a bit of timber doesn't go down well with his single mum, who probably doesn't have a workshop handy...
It's also very common for teachers in 'academic' subjects to completely misunderstand the differences between DT and their own subject's - being 'academic' very few of them have any experience of it. Sounds like your wife is no different. DT is one of the few subjects left on the school curriculum that still encourages the use of imagination and inventiveness. Slagging off the people who teach DT when you clearly know nothing about what they do is plainly prejudiced, anti teacher, tripe.
Mr Snap said:
Your depth of knowledge into educational does you proud. Could it be that DT is a practical subject and has to be organised on a different basis to, say, history or french?
Like any workshop based trade, everything is meticulously planned in advance to achieve success. Tools, for instance are allocated specific places and at the end of the day/lesson everything is checked back in to place. Workshops are meticulously tidied by the kids themselves for reasons of H&S - meaning that less teacher hours are spent tidying up classrooms, it's all part of standard workshop discipline and utterly different to the approach in any other subject.
People teaching 'resistant materials' can't take work home for marking because it's completely impractical. Not unless they have a Bedford truck and a spare room the size of a tennis court.
DT is practical, so teachers tend to give out very little homework. Telling a kid to go home to plane a bit of timber doesn't go down well with his single mum, who probably doesn't have a workshop handy...
It's also very common for teachers in 'academic' subjects to completely misunderstand the differences between DT and their own subject's - being 'academic' very few of them have any experience of it. Sounds like your wife is no different. DT is one of the few subjects left on the school curriculum that still encourages the use of imagination and inventiveness. Slagging off the people who teach DT when you clearly know nothing about what they do is plainly prejudiced, anti teacher, tripe.
What are you dribbling about? I said, as is the case, that he is in work at 0830 and out at 1520, and has little homework to do.Like any workshop based trade, everything is meticulously planned in advance to achieve success. Tools, for instance are allocated specific places and at the end of the day/lesson everything is checked back in to place. Workshops are meticulously tidied by the kids themselves for reasons of H&S - meaning that less teacher hours are spent tidying up classrooms, it's all part of standard workshop discipline and utterly different to the approach in any other subject.
People teaching 'resistant materials' can't take work home for marking because it's completely impractical. Not unless they have a Bedford truck and a spare room the size of a tennis court.
DT is practical, so teachers tend to give out very little homework. Telling a kid to go home to plane a bit of timber doesn't go down well with his single mum, who probably doesn't have a workshop handy...
It's also very common for teachers in 'academic' subjects to completely misunderstand the differences between DT and their own subject's - being 'academic' very few of them have any experience of it. Sounds like your wife is no different. DT is one of the few subjects left on the school curriculum that still encourages the use of imagination and inventiveness. Slagging off the people who teach DT when you clearly know nothing about what they do is plainly prejudiced, anti teacher, tripe.
Not sure where I "slagged anyone off"? Or cast any aspersions on DT teachers? Or said my wife did?
Seems like you have one giant chip on your shoulder.
TankRizzo said:
Mr Snap said:
Your depth of knowledge into educational does you proud. Could it be that DT is a practical subject and has to be organised on a different basis to, say, history or french?
Like any workshop based trade, everything is meticulously planned in advance to achieve success. Tools, for instance are allocated specific places and at the end of the day/lesson everything is checked back in to place. Workshops are meticulously tidied by the kids themselves for reasons of H&S - meaning that less teacher hours are spent tidying up classrooms, it's all part of standard workshop discipline and utterly different to the approach in any other subject.
People teaching 'resistant materials' can't take work home for marking because it's completely impractical. Not unless they have a Bedford truck and a spare room the size of a tennis court.
DT is practical, so teachers tend to give out very little homework. Telling a kid to go home to plane a bit of timber doesn't go down well with his single mum, who probably doesn't have a workshop handy...
It's also very common for teachers in 'academic' subjects to completely misunderstand the differences between DT and their own subject's - being 'academic' very few of them have any experience of it. Sounds like your wife is no different. DT is one of the few subjects left on the school curriculum that still encourages the use of imagination and inventiveness. Slagging off the people who teach DT when you clearly know nothing about what they do is plainly prejudiced, anti teacher, tripe.
What are you dribbling about? I said, as is the case, that he is in work at 0830 and out at 1520, and has little homework to do.Like any workshop based trade, everything is meticulously planned in advance to achieve success. Tools, for instance are allocated specific places and at the end of the day/lesson everything is checked back in to place. Workshops are meticulously tidied by the kids themselves for reasons of H&S - meaning that less teacher hours are spent tidying up classrooms, it's all part of standard workshop discipline and utterly different to the approach in any other subject.
People teaching 'resistant materials' can't take work home for marking because it's completely impractical. Not unless they have a Bedford truck and a spare room the size of a tennis court.
DT is practical, so teachers tend to give out very little homework. Telling a kid to go home to plane a bit of timber doesn't go down well with his single mum, who probably doesn't have a workshop handy...
It's also very common for teachers in 'academic' subjects to completely misunderstand the differences between DT and their own subject's - being 'academic' very few of them have any experience of it. Sounds like your wife is no different. DT is one of the few subjects left on the school curriculum that still encourages the use of imagination and inventiveness. Slagging off the people who teach DT when you clearly know nothing about what they do is plainly prejudiced, anti teacher, tripe.
Not sure where I "slagged anyone off"? Or cast any aspersions on DT teachers? Or said my wife did?
Seems like you have one giant chip on your shoulder.
If you don't think he's doing anything wrong, why did you bother to mention when he arrives and leaves? If there's a problem regarding his work/attendance, your wife should take it up with her head teacher. If he's failing to do his job, do something about it and stop whinging. You would seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding someone who is leaving work at a time when he's legally entitled to do so. Would you like him to stay for another hour or two to make you both feel better?
Maybe if you'd bothered to read my explanation why he doesn't have much homework, you'd learn something about DT rather than remaining ignorant about it. "Metalworking" FFS... (If you have kids of your own, it sounds like you're really switched on to what they do at school). If he's a good DT teacher, with a well organised department, he shouldn't need to work the extra hours per day an 'academic' subject teacher needs to do.
What you fail to see is the hard graft that goes into planning and creating a safe and efficient DT department - it takes years and isn't bashed off at the end of the day.
TankRizzo said:
Mr Snap said:
Did you start out so startlingly free of bigotry or can you blame a teacher?
You really are quite deranged, I suggest you seek some help.So, taking you at your word, I didn't slag you off when I said you weren't bigoted.
Besides, I thought you couldn't be bothered?
Can't you take a compliment?
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