Why does everyone hate teachers?

[Ali G]

Sorry - I disagree.

Reading.

Writing.

Arithmetics.

Very far ahead of music in terms of importance

It is very easy to listen to music - and to appreciate it - perhaps more difficult to 'play' or 'write'

'Teamwork' - well that's a different story.

[mph1977]

Lost_BMW said:

TankRizzo said:

Correct. Unions are there mainly to provide assistance for allegations.

However, they are politicised beyond belief. The NASUWT rep at my wife's school made veiled threats before the last strike that if she didn't vote for their strike, they might not be willing to provide her with support if anything happened.

She didn't strike and told the idiot rep to jog on.

The membership subscription fee for the NUT includes by default political fund contribution that members need to opt out of, though I wonder how many (a) know it exists (b) bother.

does the NUT have an APF ?

GPFs are somewhat integral to the role of Unions ///

[Saddle bum]

Why does everyone hate teachers?

Having worked in a college for a few years, my opinion of teachers is not very good.

I was criticised for wearing a suit - it intimidates the students.
Expecting them to be disciplined and attend to the lesson was old fashioned and stifled their creativity.
They did not fail exams, they just had not passed yet.

Also the staff room was a nest of socialist vipers. Worn out tweedy jackets and untidy hair, some of the men were even worse.

The whole so-called profession needs disinfecting.

[Twilkes]

Saddle bum said:

They did not fail exams, they just had not passed yet.

How is that different to a driving test?

And (good) music lessons in school are very important, as understanding (as opposed to appreciating) music is otherwise only the preserve of children whose parents want and can afford to get them private lessons, at least in the early years. If you got a teacher who could explain to children why they like pop/hip-hop/grimecore/schizoshuffle/whatever type of music, and how it's actually similar to other types, and hey let's make up something similar using the synth and these dustbin lids then it's opening up another world to them.

At primary school it would only be 1 hour a week, not much to ask.

Poorly taught school music lessons are the equivalent of watching someone dig a grave that your hope and drive is then buried in.

[Munter]

Twilkes said:

Poorly taught school music lessons are the equivalent of watching someone dig a grave that your hope and drive is then buried in.

There is no money or time, or people to do it to the level above that which you mention. So really....best not do it.

It's be more valuable to teach another foreign language and let them appreciate music in their own time if they wish.

[otolith]

My wife's school had an excellent music department. Mine didn't. She's played with bands and orchestras for years. In terms of the addition to her quality of life and that of the others who participate or listen, I think what the state spent on that part of her education was good value for money.

[turbobloke]

otolith said:

My wife's school had an excellent music department. Mine didn't. She's played with bands and orchestras for years. In terms of the addition to her quality of life and that of the others who participate or listen, I think what the state spent on that part of her education was good value for money.

Which prompted this link (pdf) in terms of added value:

http://www.laphil.com/sites/default/files/media/pd...

Prof Susan Hallan paper said:

Recent advances in the study of the brain have enhanced our understanding of the way that active engagement with music may influence other activities. The cerebral cortex self-organises as we engage with different musical activities, skills in these areas may then transfer to other activities if the processes involved are similar. Some skills transfer automatically without our conscious awareness, others require reflection on how they might be utilised in a new situation.

[Twilkes]

Munter said:

It's be more valuable to teach another foreign language and let them appreciate music in their own time if they wish.

There's that word 'appreciate' again. How about giving them some basic education so they can 'understand' music? It's actually not that difficult, it just takes a different mindset from the Grade 8 Royal College Of Music mindset that most music professionals have.

And besides, music is THE way to snare a hottie, whatever your age or persuasion. No wonder there's so much divorce these days.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Twilkes said:

Munter said:

It's be more valuable to teach another foreign language and let them appreciate music in their own time if they wish.

There's that word 'appreciate' again. How about giving them some basic education so they can 'understand' music? It's actually not that difficult, it just takes a different mindset from the Grade 8 Royal College Of Music mindset that most music professionals have.

And besides, music is THE way to snare a hottie, whatever your age or persuasion. No wonder there's so much divorce these days.

Disagree with this - there's a lot enlightened music teaching out there. Oddly, most of this is in the underfunded overworked state sector, whilst the private sector tends to focus on the more traditional side. Both are valid but the former is the way to really reach the disinterested and those who it might really help in terms of outlook, self discipline, and a focus for those drifting. Unfortunately many school management teams don't recognise the importance and want tick box exercises (x% of kids learning a musical instrument for example, even if these means they only do it for a couple of terms, or do whole class tuition. Never mind the quality, feel the quantity! Of, course, this is the only way to secure funding...)

Lots of good research and evidence, as has been alluded to, to show the effect that learning music can have on the brain and other facets of education.


Agree about the hotties though

[jjlynn27]

Munter said:

There is no money or time, or people to do it to the level above that which you mention. So really....best not do it.

How do you know this?