Why does everyone hate teachers?
Discussion
Evening all
Just prior to turning in I was perusing the bbc website and came across this article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19683920
Now I have to be upfront and honest here, I am a teacher and as such was rather put out by the suggestion that my work should be judged by the time that I leave school each day. However the thing that I found most shocking about the whole article was the comments page. There are over a thousand comments on this article alone, and of the ones I've read (admittedly not many - takes away from valuable ph time!) it seems to be a 50/50 split amongst those condemning the idea (largely teachers) and those saying teachers have it easy/should stop moaning/get a real job etc etc.
Now I know that these responses often come from those people with an axe to grind, but the sheer number of responses makes me think that perhaps there is a genuine dislike for teachers in the uk now. If this is the case, I'd really appreciate it if people would explain it to me!
Thanks in advance,
Just prior to turning in I was perusing the bbc website and came across this article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19683920
Now I have to be upfront and honest here, I am a teacher and as such was rather put out by the suggestion that my work should be judged by the time that I leave school each day. However the thing that I found most shocking about the whole article was the comments page. There are over a thousand comments on this article alone, and of the ones I've read (admittedly not many - takes away from valuable ph time!) it seems to be a 50/50 split amongst those condemning the idea (largely teachers) and those saying teachers have it easy/should stop moaning/get a real job etc etc.
Now I know that these responses often come from those people with an axe to grind, but the sheer number of responses makes me think that perhaps there is a genuine dislike for teachers in the uk now. If this is the case, I'd really appreciate it if people would explain it to me!
Thanks in advance,
NUT said:
Teachers' pay should not be determined by head teachers at the school level. We don't want a system where head teachers pick and choose favourites for pay rises," he added.
Jesus titty f
king Christ. God forbid that excellence be rewarded whilst mediocrity is removed from the system. Edited by miniman on Sunday 23 September 21:58
Blimey.
Well, my neighbour is a teacher. He is also slightly more elevated - I think he's also a year head or something.
All I know is that he leaves the house at 8am and I rarely see him return much before half 6. So that blows the 'short days' argument right out of the water for a start.
Second, when he tells me of the workload, the educational rules and compliance, the constant fights with exam boards and syllabus changes, dealing with parents - and most of all, dealing with cocky, nasty little know-it-all kids....I'd say everyone should love any teacher who is prepared to do the job!!
Well, my neighbour is a teacher. He is also slightly more elevated - I think he's also a year head or something.
All I know is that he leaves the house at 8am and I rarely see him return much before half 6. So that blows the 'short days' argument right out of the water for a start.
Second, when he tells me of the workload, the educational rules and compliance, the constant fights with exam boards and syllabus changes, dealing with parents - and most of all, dealing with cocky, nasty little know-it-all kids....I'd say everyone should love any teacher who is prepared to do the job!!
I think what the article is trying to say is that teachers should not be guaranteed a pay rise.
As it stands when you complete a year of service you automatically (pretty much) move up the scale...therefore getting a pay rise. How you have performed is not factored in so those who work their arses off will move the same as their peers. I believe it is this they are suggesting looking at.
As it stands when you complete a year of service you automatically (pretty much) move up the scale...therefore getting a pay rise. How you have performed is not factored in so those who work their arses off will move the same as their peers. I believe it is this they are suggesting looking at.
miniman said:
Jesus titty fking Christ. God forbid that excellence be rewarded whilst mediocrity is removed from the system.
There are ready systems in place to ensure that pay is linked to achievement. If teachers don't achieve the targets they dont get a pay rise. king Christ. God forbid that excellence be rewarded whilst mediocrity is removed from the system. Edited by miniman on Sunday 23 September 21:58
nadger said:
miniman said:
Jesus titty fking Christ. God forbid that excellence be rewarded whilst mediocrity is removed from the system.
There are ready systems in place to ensure that pay is linked to achievement. If teachers don't achieve the targets they dont get a pay rise. king Christ. God forbid that excellence be rewarded whilst mediocrity is removed from the system. Edited by miniman on Sunday 23 September 21:58
my long suffering wife is a 0.2 class teacher and 0.3 HLTA, and for that 0.2 (1 day a week of pay) she does about the same in planning! and actually leaves the house on her 2 full days at 8:00am doesnt get home until 17:30-18.00 (school in 10 mins away.
Quite often gets home having not had a break all day, and only cuppa all day is first thing...
I know for a fact that I couldn't teach (although with the way things are going I could probably bluff a non-teaching head position, turning more into a business manager than anything), and anyone who thinks they could teach should go and volunteer at a local school for a few days.
Anyone who says teachers dont earn the pay and holidays will get a right earful off me thats for sure.
Quite often gets home having not had a break all day, and only cuppa all day is first thing...
I know for a fact that I couldn't teach (although with the way things are going I could probably bluff a non-teaching head position, turning more into a business manager than anything), and anyone who thinks they could teach should go and volunteer at a local school for a few days.
Anyone who says teachers dont earn the pay and holidays will get a right earful off me thats for sure.
In principle, there is nothing wrong with the proposal; if you turn up and just do the bare minimum then you shouldn't get the same reward as those who go that extra yard. Surely though this is for the head to determine, just as senior management do in the private sector.
I hope they use a more balanced metric than what time you stay in work until though, I've know plenty of people who do little all day but stay late to impress the management. Also, my wife is a teacher, she leaves work fairly promptly, collects our children, makes tea, gets them in bed then works from 7pm to 10 pm almost without fail Monday to Thursday.
As for people hating teachers, well I'm expecting most people who take the time to respond in such a way are uneducated so probably don't have too much affection for them!
I hope they use a more balanced metric than what time you stay in work until though, I've know plenty of people who do little all day but stay late to impress the management. Also, my wife is a teacher, she leaves work fairly promptly, collects our children, makes tea, gets them in bed then works from 7pm to 10 pm almost without fail Monday to Thursday.
As for people hating teachers, well I'm expecting most people who take the time to respond in such a way are uneducated so probably don't have too much affection for them!
I help a school in South London. There are over 600 students in this school. None are from monied backgrounds; quite the opposite. Several need special tuition because they're unable to read and write English even at a basic level. The Headteacher and his staff are some of the most incredible and inspirational people I have ever met. The devotion to their students is total and their progressive approach has attracted people like myself (and others) to enter the school and provide much needed links with industry. Teaching is a hugely important vocation. Great teachers are worth their weight in gold. And we should do all we can to support them.
Many teachers don't earn the pay or the holidays.
Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
Some do.
The whole system needs a kick up the arse - why the hell do hey only teach kids for 39 weeks in a 52 week year?
At the time when children can learn so much, we positively choose to educate them only 75% of the year.
Parents, employers, children, the economy - all would benefit hugely from a 45 week school year. The only people who would resist this would be the teachers.
I help a school in South London. There are over 600 students in this school. None are from monied backgrounds; quite the opposite. Several need special tuition because they're unable to read and write English even at a basic level. The Headteacher and his staff are some of the most incredible and inspirational people I have ever met. The devotion to their students is total and their progressive approach has attracted people like myself (and others) to enter the school and provide much needed links with industry. Teaching is a hugely important vocation. Great teachers are worth their weight in gold. And we should do all we can to support them.
I don't hate teachers. They do a difficult and important job, one that I don't have the temperament for and most are not particularly well-paid.
They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
They do, however, get a couple of fairly big perks. They get 13 weeks annual leave, while almost all private sector workers have to make do with 4 or 5. They also get a guaranteed final salary pension, which private sector workers don't.
When teachers who get these perks still have the cheek to whinge about their lot, it's hardly surprising that other people find it irritating.
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