Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

[Mr Gearchange]

Digga said:

If we were in Russia I guess he'd have been disappeared a long while back.

Ah yes - if only the UK political and judicial system was as good as it is in Russia.

[Steve Zodiac]

I'm all broken up about that mans rights!

[LeighW]

Man-At-Arms said:

we don't want him
just pack him on a slow boat to the States with just bread and milk and sink it half way across

Another better option...

[Mr Sparkle]

So how is this appeal different to his previous ones? I thought that was supposed to be it?

[kowalski655]

SplatSpeed said:

One'sYour Tax's are going on this! We are not amused!

EFA

If the guy has "new" evidence(Oh WHAT a coincidence!) then show it to the yanks to prove your innocence, not us. Hamza's mental health is also said to be getting worse.How is this grounds for appeal? A faked breakdown is always handy for fooling idiot Judges. He was always bat st crazy anyway

[Mr Sparkle]

Maybe this time Cameron should order the RAF to have a C-17 fueled and ready to go, the instant the trial ends straight onto the plane.

[anonymous-user]

the only thing that stops me disparing is that maybe mi5 is sneaky enough to have a few show trials like this for appearances whilst quietly getting on with exporting many more in the background, like every other country does. i'd like to think so anyway

[Gargamel]

The apparent cost is already over £4m in legal costs

Not to mention his 10 years of taking benefits and no doubt some medical treatment along the way.

Naturally he should have been on a plane to the US exactly 1 second after the EU ruling

[thinfourth2]

Gargamel said:

The apparent cost is already over £4m in legal costs

Not to mention his 10 years of taking benefits and no doubt some medical treatment along the way.

Naturally he should have been on a plane to the US exactly 1 second after the EU ruling

Okay 4 million in legal costs

Who do you think is taking the piss

Hooky or his lawyers?

We could keep hooky till the day he dies on benefits and it would be cheaper

[kowalski655]

Why not just send him back now & sod the Judge.So what if he sues, got to be less than the cost of keeping him.

[Justices]

The_Burg said:

Man-At-Arms said:

we don't want him
just pack him on a slow boat to the States with just bread and milk bacon and beer

Amended for a better option.

Depending on where he is shipping out to, I think the first bit will be enough.

Terror-inciting Islamic radical with a bloody silver hook for a hand.. the nutters over at Fox News would think that Christmas has came early! He'll either be THE ultimate poster villain there, or he'll get a few roles in action films.

Edited by Justices on Wednesday 26th September 21:01

[Ozzie Osmond]

Oh good. Some more taxpayers' money down the pan as we pay for both sides of yet another lengthy appeal.

Perhaps it's time the Queen stepped in as Head of Stste and did something useful...

[Lost_BMW]

jogon said:

Puggit said:

Also who is defending this man? They should be boycotted...

http://www.aranisolicitors.com/about.html

From their website

"We deal with criminal, family, civil cases, and proceedings against the police. We undertake national and international work in order to assist in the abuses taking place as a result of the so called alleged war on Terror.

We deal with numerous high profile and complex cases, as is reported in the press continuously. We have a wealth of experience in dealing with anti-terrorism cases; we represented Sulayman Zain-ul-abidin the first Muslim to be charged, tried and acquitted after September 11th in the UK.

We also represented Sheikh Abu Hamza in the Finsbury Park mosque and when he was arrested under the Terrorism Act, we are still representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of the novel provisions under the Immigration and Nationality Asylum Act 2002 whereby he is the first person to be deprived of his British Nationality.

We are also representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of his Extradition case which is the first case of its kind under the new Extradition Act 2003.

We are representing a British detainee being held in Guantanamo Bay.

We are instructed by the family of Asif Hanif (alleged suicide bomber) to represent their son.

We have also appeared in the media as an expert/commentator on issues relating to terrorism and the Muslim community.We are authors of a ‘Know Your Rights’ leaflet published by the Islamic Human Rights Commission as shown on Panorama, which has been distributed widely amongst the Muslim community since the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001 came into force which informs individuals of their rights under extended police stop and search powers."


Nope, still not warming to them as an outfit, strangely. Seems like more than money involved here...

EDIT to note that in the very obvious wearing of their hearts on their sleeves they boast of this

We have dealt with some of the following High profile cases:

Finsbury park mosque case when the Trustees attempted to oust Sheikh Abu Hamza from the mosque - case fought in the high court Sheikh Abu Hamza not ousted from the mosque (1998)


so they supported local muslims and members of the mosque who wanted to stop him preaching extremist ste, and this bunch helped him carry on carrying on. tts.

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 26th September 18:26

[anonymous-user]

Mr Gearchange said:

Digga said:

If we were in Russia I guess he'd have been disappeared a long while back.

Ah yes - if only the UK political and judicial system was as good as it is in Russia.

Sometimes we'd be better off if it was.

If you want the sort of system we have that defends the indefensible, for no obvious reason other than those involved want to line their pockets, why don't you gather the like minded and pay for it, so that the taxpayer in general doesn't have to?

To any sane mind, today's events clearly demonstrate all that's wrong with the UK legal system. It rewards the guilty and those who make and implement the law, at the expense of the innocent and those who must abide by it.

[Zod]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Puggit said:

Also who is defending this man? They should be boycotted...

Boycotted? Garroted more like.

Just hope you never get falseley accused of anything. (no sympathy for Hooky here)

Little evidence of false accusation in Hamza's case, his lawyers are milking us, the taxpayers and they cannot be unaware of this. Thus I fail to see how any false accusation of me is in any way relevant. In short, emotive rubbish; there is no good reason to prevent his extradtion, thus his lawyers should be open to sanction, although, I admit, some would view garroting as unnecessarily harsh.

That's the pub bore's argument. Extradition is a big issue. Anyone, however evil, should be represented in relation to an extradition hearing.

We are a free democracy under the rule of law. We don't abrogate the rule of law just because the person we are dealing with is obviously an evil sack of st.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 26th September 18:16

[Ozzie Osmond]

Zod said:

Don't be stupid. Extradition is a big issue. Anyone, however evil, should be represented in relation to an extradition hearing.

How about some "extraordinary rendition" then. But of course that was only ever used for suspected terrorists.

Oh wait a minute...

[anonymous-user]

This is only an interim stay on extradition pending a hearing next week. There has been no ruling on the merits of the latest challenge. I wager that the court next week will take a lot of persuading not to approve the extradition.

[Norfolkit]

Lost_BMW said:

jogon said:

Puggit said:

Also who is defending this man? They should be boycotted...

http://www.aranisolicitors.com/about.html

From their website

"We deal with criminal, family, civil cases, and proceedings against the police. We undertake national and international work in order to assist in the abuses taking place as a result of the so called alleged war on Terror.

We deal with numerous high profile and complex cases, as is reported in the press continuously. We have a wealth of experience in dealing with anti-terrorism cases; we represented Sulayman Zain-ul-abidin the first Muslim to be charged, tried and acquitted after September 11th in the UK.

We also represented Sheikh Abu Hamza in the Finsbury Park mosque and when he was arrested under the Terrorism Act, we are still representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of the novel provisions under the Immigration and Nationality Asylum Act 2002 whereby he is the first person to be deprived of his British Nationality.

We are also representing Sheikh Abu Hamza in respect of his Extradition case which is the first case of its kind under the new Extradition Act 2003.

We are representing a British detainee being held in Guantanamo Bay.

We are instructed by the family of Asif Hanif (alleged suicide bomber) to represent their son.

We have also appeared in the media as an expert/commentator on issues relating to terrorism and the Muslim community.We are authors of a ‘Know Your Rights’ leaflet published by the Islamic Human Rights Commission as shown on Panorama, which has been distributed widely amongst the Muslim community since the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001 came into force which informs individuals of their rights under extended police stop and search powers."


Nope, still not warming to them as an outfit, strangely. Seems like more than money involved here...

EDIT to note that in the very obvious wearing of their hearts on their sleeves they boast of this

We have dealt with some of the following High profile cases:

Finsbury park mosque case when the Trustees attempted to oust Sheikh Abu Hamza from the mosque - case fought in the high court Sheikh Abu Hamza not ousted from the mosque (1998)


so they supported local muslims and members of the mosque who wanted to stop him preaching extremist ste, and this bunch helped him carry on carrying on. tts.

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 26th September 18:26

According to The Wail they're raking in over a million a year in legal aid.

[Murph7355]

Zod said:

That's the pub bore's argument. Extradition is a big issue. Anyone, however evil, should be represented in relation to an extradition hearing.

We are a free democracy under the rule of law. We don't abrogate the rule of law just because the person we are dealing with is obviously an evil sack of st.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 26th September 18:16

No one is saying he shouldn't get representation. He's had it. On numerous occasions. At our expense.

His lawyers are scraping the barrel to line their own pockets.

If they want to continue this charade it should be fully at their or their clients full expense (win or lose). Legal expenses, detention costs etc.

Tbh, the second anyone wants to take a case beyond the courts of this country, it should be fully self funded.

[whoami]

Breadvan72 said:

This is only an interim stay on extradition pending a hearing next week. There has been no ruling on the merits of the latest challenge. I wager that the court next week will take a lot of persuading not to approve the extradition.

But how many more times can he appeal?