Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again
Discussion
Mr_B said:
Question. Has anyone in America ever actually heard of him and does it even register on any of the American news networks ?
Here it is all over the news at every stage of the trial, I'm just wondering if this is just a complete non news event in the US, as the anti extradition lot are trying to make out that its another case of the UK bending over backwards to please the Americans.
I heard about this on the CBS local news. It is a far bigger deal than you might think.Here it is all over the news at every stage of the trial, I'm just wondering if this is just a complete non news event in the US, as the anti extradition lot are trying to make out that its another case of the UK bending over backwards to please the Americans.
Wiki said:
N596GA/N977GA
Another Gulfstream V, N596GA, manufacturers serial number 596, has also been mentioned in print as a possible transport for the CIA program of extraordinary rendition. Author Dave Willis wrote in Air Forces Monthly in May 2008 that this airframe, ordered in 1999 by the United States Air Force as a C-37A, serial 99-0405, was rolled out as N596GA but only briefly took up its military serial before reverting to the civil registration, issued on September 20, 2001, nine days after the 9-11 attacks. It was registered to National Aircraft Leasing of Greenville, New Castle County in Delaware, "and is believed to have been used by the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation Systems (JPATS), managed by the U.S. Marshals Service. JPATS is responsible for moving prisoners and non-US citizen criminals around and has its own fleet of aircraft, as well as frequently leasing others. N596GA is also said to have been used in the CIA's programme of extraordinary rendition against terrorist subjects."[21]
The author also mentions N379P, of Premiere Executive Transport Services, (later N8068V and N44982), and its alleged use in rendition missions.
As of at least June 24, 2011, this Gulfstream V, c/n 596, flies as N977GA, registered to the United States Department of Justice. On the aforementioned date, this aircraft was dispatched to California to retrieve fugitive New England crime boss "Jimmy" Bulger and his girlfriend Catherine Greig, transporting them to Boston's Logan International Airport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_aircraft#N596GA.2FN977GAAnother Gulfstream V, N596GA, manufacturers serial number 596, has also been mentioned in print as a possible transport for the CIA program of extraordinary rendition. Author Dave Willis wrote in Air Forces Monthly in May 2008 that this airframe, ordered in 1999 by the United States Air Force as a C-37A, serial 99-0405, was rolled out as N596GA but only briefly took up its military serial before reverting to the civil registration, issued on September 20, 2001, nine days after the 9-11 attacks. It was registered to National Aircraft Leasing of Greenville, New Castle County in Delaware, "and is believed to have been used by the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation Systems (JPATS), managed by the U.S. Marshals Service. JPATS is responsible for moving prisoners and non-US citizen criminals around and has its own fleet of aircraft, as well as frequently leasing others. N596GA is also said to have been used in the CIA's programme of extraordinary rendition against terrorist subjects."[21]
The author also mentions N379P, of Premiere Executive Transport Services, (later N8068V and N44982), and its alleged use in rendition missions.
As of at least June 24, 2011, this Gulfstream V, c/n 596, flies as N977GA, registered to the United States Department of Justice. On the aforementioned date, this aircraft was dispatched to California to retrieve fugitive New England crime boss "Jimmy" Bulger and his girlfriend Catherine Greig, transporting them to Boston's Logan International Airport.
surely these guys will be eligible for similar legal aid in the US too? do they have something similar where the state will pay for their lawyers?
i'm sure due process etc and appeals will take forever too? ontop of that the cost of housing such inmates - all a burden on the us system correct?
i'm sure due process etc and appeals will take forever too? ontop of that the cost of housing such inmates - all a burden on the us system correct?
MadMullah said:
surely these guys will be eligible for similar legal aid in the US too? do they have something similar where the state will pay for their lawyers?
i'm sure due process etc and appeals will take forever too? ontop of that the cost of housing such inmates - all a burden on the us system correct?
From my understanding they'll need someone to take them on pro bono otherwise they'll be represented by the bottom 20% of recent graduates out of law school. American system is seriously unjust.i'm sure due process etc and appeals will take forever too? ontop of that the cost of housing such inmates - all a burden on the us system correct?
Having said that I read the actual appeal document today and I want to change my position on Hamaza, he really is a b
d with stloads of evidence against him. Not taht that changes my mind abuot Supermax being evil for anyone, no matter how evil UNLESS it is physically impossible to control them any other way. But something else worth pointing out is Hamza ain't going to end up in Supermax due to his health, so...But poor Babar Ahmed... whatever it is he did wrong, he didn't do it in the US. His situation is disgusting, even more so than that of the autistic weirdo whose name escapes me who "hacked" those nasa pcs to look for UFOs.
So much so that I am certain that it will be seen in fifty years time as worse than say the Dreyfus affair... this thing has dragged on for around a decade.
Puggit said:
Membership of the EU is conditional to membership of the ECHR
You can't join the EU if you don't join the ECHR.But you can certainly be a member of the ECHR if you don't join the EU.
I do agree with you in a certain sense that ideally the UK should have its highest court, and that's it. In fact I'd love that. I'd love the UK out of the EU and fully soverign about everything. But that is at least partly predicated on the UK being fully civilised.
But if it is to do that it needs proper respect for human rights. Further than the ECHR goes, actually. The ECHR is a bugger in principle but it seems our current best hope to apply universal human rights to everyone, no matter what the consequences.
It would be even better if that were implemented in a UK court and all the other b
ks were stripped out. But the UK has over half of people in favour of capital punishment, ffs. Yet even more amusingly about half of those won't allow medically assisted painless suicide! In other words the ECHR is s
t but until people civilise it is at least doing something. And my god I hope the UK exits the EU as soon as possibly, but it'll surely remain a member of the ECHR...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff