Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

[Sheets Tabuer]

Spork

Oh Abu, the freedoms of the UK are not looking so bad now are they?

Have another spork man

[dudleybloke]

Talk to the spork.

[Birkin1932]

[anonymous-user]

groucho said:

Mr_B said:

Grumfutock said:

Could we now please arrange for that other rancid excuse for a human being Anjem Choudary to do the same.

He isn't as dumb as the rest of those he mentors and pushes towards killing people. He's very careful to just piss you off but not do or say anything illegal. He maybe hated by 99% Muslims for bringing a lot of flack down on them, but his chime with far more than that 1%. The only bit that really grates with me about him is that he sits on benefits and no one dares to a damn thing about it.

I feel sick to live in a country that looks after a traitor within, like that . Why do we put up with him (rhetorical question)?

He is a , but do you suggest that we should not uphold free speech? You may perhaps have noticed some recent events in Paris that have some bearing on this. Free speech does not mean "only speech that we agree with or that doesn't piss us off".

[dudleybloke]

Breadvan72 said:

He is a , but do you suggest that we should not uphold free speech? You may perhaps have noticed some recent events in Paris that have some bearing on this. Free speech does not mean "only speech that we agree with or that doesn't piss us off".

Should stop his benefits.
Make the fker get a job and he wont have as much time to stir the st.

[anonymous-user]

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

[Burwood]

Breadvan72 said:

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

agreed. It is a rather trivial matter however jobseekers sets out quite strict criteria. Work Coach, a plan, going to interviews. His case officer should really 'assist' this trained lawyer in finding suitable work such as cleaning out pig swill from a farm etc.

Life appears all to comfy for Anjem Choudry

[Skywalker]

Breadvan72 said:

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

I agree with BV. If that benefits are what he is entitled to; then my principles say that he should get them - and we deal with the filth he spatters out by effective debate and satire.

[PRTVR]

Breadvan72 said:

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

I agree but is not the problem is that the laws and rules do not reflect societies wishes, if you attack a society, should you then expect society to support you?

Most people would say not, but at the moment we are paying to support people who would do us harm, that is just madness.

[dudleybloke]

Bring back the treason laws.

[anonymous-user]

PRTVR said:

Breadvan72 said:

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

I agree but is not the problem is that the laws and rules do not reflect societies wishes, if you attack a society, should you then expect society to support you?

Most people would say not, but at the moment we are paying to support people who would do us harm, that is just madness.

The minute you make obtaining what would otherwise be an entitlement conditional on towing a party line, you have abandoned the very principles of a free and open society that Choudury and his ilk attack. You have created the sort of society that he wants. We get this every time, whether discussing control orders, internment, deportation, capital punishment, whatever. People advocate that the way to oppose those who would destroy our free and open way of life is to, er, destroy our free and open way of life. Sometimes it may not just be Islamists who lack an appreciation of irony.

[Burwood]

the far right will probably dole out some harsh justice. he's not the only nut in the uk.

[dudleybloke]

I'm not saying stop his benefits just because he's a .
But if he's not looking for work/attending courses ect he should have his money stopped right away.

[Burwood]

dudleybloke said:

I'm not saying stop his benefits just because he's a .
But if he's not looking for work/attending courses ect he should have his money stopped right away.

the truth is they're too scared

[anonymous-user]

As for attacking society and being supported by it, consider scurrilous and vitriolic cartoonists and authors of satirical columns who lambast our Government, our society, the Queen, whatever. Some real examples: Steve Bell, Martin Rowson, and Peter Brookes are very hard hitting in their cartoons, in the best traditions of Gilray and Rowlandson. Do we want the Government saying "you attack us, so we are withdrawing child benefit"? Consider also a bunch of hairy Occupy protesters staging rallies in Parliament Square shouting about capitalism, war, climate issues, whatever; many of whom are on benefits. The point about free speech is that it is sometimes ragged and disorderly, but a free society puts up with it. It appears that for some people their God is too small and weak to take a joke, but a free society has broader shoulders than an imaginary Sky Fairy.

[dudleybloke]

Bread.
Any chance you could offer him a job?

If he turns down a job offer they will stop his cash.

[PRTVR]

Breadvan72 said:

PRTVR said:

Breadvan72 said:

I have no clue whether or not the tosser meets the usual tests for eligibly to benefits that apply to everyone, but if he does and we remove them because of stuff he says, you can perhaps see the problem with that.

I agree but is not the problem is that the laws and rules do not reflect societies wishes, if you attack a society, should you then expect society to support you?

Most people would say not, but at the moment we are paying to support people who would do us harm, that is just madness.

The minute you make obtaining what would otherwise be an entitlement conditional on towing a party line, you have abandoned the very principles of a free and open society that Choudury and his ilk attack. You have created the sort of society that he wants. We get this every time, whether discussing control orders, internment, deportation, capital punishment, whatever. People advocate that the way to oppose those who would destroy our free and open way of life is to, er, destroy our free and open way of life. Sometimes it may not just be Islamists who lack an appreciation of irony.

I disagree, the open way of life you talk about is being eroded all the time, every site you visit on the internet is recorded, as your car moved around it can be tracked, emails can be read, my thoughts are if we do not come down hard on people who incite violence, we will suffer further restrictions to our way of life, perhaps as has been suggested above we need to bring the Treason law back.

[PRTVR]

Breadvan72 said:

As for attacking society and being supported by it, consider scurrilous and vitriolic cartoonists and authors of satirical columns who lambast our Government, our society, the Queen, whatever. Some real examples: Steve Bell, Martin Rowson, and Peter Brookes are very hard hitting in their cartoons, in the best traditions of Gilray and Rowlandson. Do we want the Government saying "you attack us, so we are withdrawing child benefit"? Consider also a bunch of hairy Occupy protesters staging rallies in Parliament Square shouting about capitalism, war, climate issues, whatever; many of whom are on benefits. The point about free speech is that it is sometimes ragged and disorderly, but a free society puts up with it. It appears that for some people their God is too small and weak to take a joke, but a free society has broader shoulders than an imaginary Sky Fairy.

If you can't see the difference between cartoonists who have been part of the British way of poking fun at society and somebody who has a hatred of everything we stand for in this country, there is nothing more I can say.

[Derek Smith]

PRTVR said:

I disagree, the open way of life you talk about is being eroded all the time, every site you visit on the internet is recorded, as your car moved around it can be tracked, emails can be read, my thoughts are if we do not come down hard on people who incite violence, we will suffer further restrictions to our way of life, perhaps as has been suggested above we need to bring the Treason law back.

More laws is not, perhaps, the answer to more restrictions.

There is a certain irony in people to abhor the thought of sharia law and their way of combating it is to limit what people can say.

Everything costs and this bloke is part of it. But when you think of the positives, it is a small price.

[PRTVR]

Derek Smith said:

PRTVR said:

I disagree, the open way of life you talk about is being eroded all the time, every site you visit on the internet is recorded, as your car moved around it can be tracked, emails can be read, my thoughts are if we do not come down hard on people who incite violence, we will suffer further restrictions to our way of life, perhaps as has been suggested above we need to bring the Treason law back.

More laws is not, perhaps, the answer to more restrictions.

There is a certain irony in people to abhor the thought of sharia law and their way of combating it is to limit what people can say.

Everything costs and this bloke is part of it. But when you think of the positives, it is a small price.

But are not these people limiting what we say and do ? Will there be less cartoons about Islam after yesterdays events in Paris, will what we say gradually be eroded away, no law required, just fear.