Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

[Burwood]

PRTVR said:

From the shooting in Paris thread.

Why is this allowed?

"Cleric Mizanur Rahman, of Palmers Green, north London, defended the brutal murder of 12 people at the Charlie Hebdo offices, saying ‘insulting Islam…they can’t expect a different result.’

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another asshole. wiki quotes

Rahman has acted as a provocateur in what he says are Islamist interests. He participated in the Islamist demonstration outside the Danish Embassy in London in 2006, where he prayed, "O Allah, we want to see another 9/11 in Iraq, another 9/11 in Denmark, another 9/11 in Spain, in France, all over Europe. O Allah, destroy all of them."[2] On 9 November 2006, he was found guilty at trial of the charge of inciting racial hatred.[3] The jury could not reach a verdict on the charge of soliciting murder. The Crown indicated it would seek a retrial.[4]

[SamHH]

PRTVR said:

What I am taking about and this thread is about, is before the killing takes place, how we deal with the preachers who incite others to do the violence, unless you think there is no problem.

A very difficult problem, but your solution – revival of the crime of treason – doesn't seem likely to solve it, not least because, as explained above, treason has never been abolished.

PRTVR said:

Do you not think things have changed under due to the security situation and do you not think there will be more changes?

That's such a vague question than any answer would be almost meaningless. What sort of "things" are you referring to? And what is "the security situation"?

[mybrainhurts]

Anyway, back to Abu Boo Boo...

Don't know how the Yanks are going to spoil the rest of his life, but I'd risk a little bet the threat of burying him, come the time, in pig skin, with a pork pie up his arse, might work up a bit of a sweat.

[PRTVR]

SamHH said:

PRTVR said:

What I am taking about and this thread is about, is before the killing takes place, how we deal with the preachers who incite others to do the violence, unless you think there is no problem.

A very difficult problem, but your solution – revival of the crime of treason – doesn't seem likely to solve it, not least because, as explained above, treason has never been abolished.

PRTVR said:

Do you not think things have changed under due to the security situation and do you not think there will be more changes?

That's such a vague question than any answer would be almost meaningless. What sort of "things" are you referring to? And what is "the security situation"?

No matter what you say, the problem is still here, follow the link I posted above, the present system is not working.
Until the problem is solved people will call for change.

[SamHH]

PRTVR said:

No matter what you say, the problem is still here, follow the link I posted above, the present system is not working.
Until the problem is solved people will call for change.

I've not denied that people killing others, or people encouraging people to kill others are problems.

It's just that your solution – revival of the crime of treason – is a load of nonsense. That having been pointed out to you, you haven't proposed any other change that will stop people killing or encouraging killing.

[PRTVR]

SamHH said:

PRTVR said:

No matter what you say, the problem is still here, follow the link I posted above, the present system is not working.
Until the problem is solved people will call for change.

I've not denied that people killing others, or people encouraging people to kill others are problems.

It's just that your solution – revival of the crime of treason – is a load of nonsense. That having been pointed out to you, you haven't proposed any other change that will stop people killing or encouraging killing.

And your answer to do nothing is also nonsense, what they are saying is in most peoples mind is treasonous, but if you have a better idea please post it up.

[JensenA]

If a White Christian supremist was simply 'tweeting' to advocate, amd support, the killing of muslims, he would be arrested, tried, convicted and vilified. We pussyfoot around with Muslim extremists in case we might, just possibly, offend Muslims. That is the problem.

[allergictocheese]

There are extant offences of inciting racial and inciting religious hatred (differing tests for each offence). The bar to prosecution is necessarily high as it crosses the threshold where free speech becomes criminal conduct.

[PRTVR]

allergictocheese said:

There are extant offences of inciting racial and inciting religious hatred (differing tests for each offence). The bar to prosecution is necessarily high as it crosses the threshold where free speech becomes criminal conduct.

So people could die, directly or indirectly due to free speech and our crusade to uphold it.

[skyrover]

Why do we have to hand those people over the a foreign country to prosecute them is the question we should be asking?

[SamHH]

PRTVR said:

And your answer to do nothing is also nonsense,

I don't think I have suggested doing nothing. If I have, it was a mistake.

PRTVR said:

what they are saying is in most peoples mind is treasonous,

Even assuming that you are correct (you cite no evidence), it's not clear what you are advocating for, given that your intial suggestion of reviving treason is unnecessary. What reforms would you like?

[SamHH]

skyrover said:

Why do we have to hand those people over the a foreign country to prosecute them is the question we should be asking?

It's not clear exactly which people you mean (all people who are extradited or just certain of them?), but Hamza was prosecuted (and convicted) in the UK. He was also sought for prosecution in the US, which is why he was extradited there.

[PRTVR]

SamHH said:

PRTVR said:

And your answer to do nothing is also nonsense,

I don't think I have suggested doing nothing. If I have, it was a mistake.

PRTVR said:

what they are saying is in most peoples mind is treasonous,

Even assuming that you are correct (you cite no evidence), it's not clear what you are advocating for, given that your intial suggestion of reviving treason is unnecessary. What reforms would you like?

I would like the people who are in control to come up with the answers, lawyers and politicians, that what they are paid for, a manual worker like myself should not be coming up with ideas, it should never have come to the point were somebody like me is feeling like he has to making suggestions, that for me is a failing in the system.

[superlightr]

PRTVR said:

SamHH said:

PRTVR said:

And your answer to do nothing is also nonsense,

I don't think I have suggested doing nothing. If I have, it was a mistake.

PRTVR said:

what they are saying is in most peoples mind is treasonous,

Even assuming that you are correct (you cite no evidence), it's not clear what you are advocating for, given that your intial suggestion of reviving treason is unnecessary. What reforms would you like?

I would like the people who are in control to come up with the answers, lawyers and politicians, that what they are paid for, a manual worker like myself should not be coming up with ideas, it should never have come to the point were somebody like me is feeling like he has to making suggestions, that for me is a failing in the system.

off the record hits/assassinations by UK Govt. not a good way to do things but the other way is not working well either.

[Bill]

superlightr said:

off the record hits/assassinations by UK Govt. not a good way to do things but the other way is not working well either.

So they're not allowed to murder people thus disagree with, but we are. And you'd trust the government with this?

Wow.

[Rude-boy]

Bill said:

superlightr said:

off the record hits/assassinations by UK Govt. not a good way to do things but the other way is not working well either.

So they're not allowed to murder people thus disagree with, but we are. And you'd trust the government with this?

Wow.

Not saying that it is right, but I would be very surprised if that sort of thing didn't happen much more often in days of yore and has only decreased now due to the exponentially increased chances of someone finding out.

[mybrainhurts]

Rude-boy said:

Bill said:

superlightr said:

off the record hits/assassinations by UK Govt. not a good way to do things but the other way is not working well either.

So they're not allowed to murder people thus disagree with, but we are. And you'd trust the government with this?

Wow.

Not saying that it is right, but I would be very surprised if that sort of thing didn't happen much more often in days of yore and has only decreased now due to the exponentially increased chances of someone finding out.

Don't mention 007. I did, but I think I got away with it...

[Bill]

Rude-boy said:

Not saying that it is right, but I would be very surprised if that sort of thing didn't happen much more often in days of yore and has only decreased now due to the exponentially increased chances of someone finding out.

I don't doubt it did, and hope it doesn't any more.

[superlightr]

its the frustration at the 'legal' ways to achieve an aim which points me half tongue in cheek to suggest 'other' ways to achieve an aim which is good for the country.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 12th January 17:32

[tescorank]

Times today, surprise he wants to come back!