Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again
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Hamza's QC, Alun Jones, is arguing that there is "uncontradicted medical opinion" that an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scan is "medically necessary" for the cleric and a temporary injunction should be granted to allow it to be carried out. He says if tests establish that Hamza is unfit to plead, it will be contended that it would be "oppressive" to extradite him under the 2003 Extradition Act.
Well done Mr Jones, your family must be proud of you. Managed to milk another days pay from the taxpayer, protecting a piece of s
t like this.
Unbelievable.
Well done Mr Jones, your family must be proud of you. Managed to milk another days pay from the taxpayer, protecting a piece of s
t like this.Unbelievable.
tinman0 said:
So its ok to commit a crime if there's no law?
If I've broken the law in this country I expect to be prosecuted here. Ahmed's case is nothing like Hamza's. Do you know anything about it? I didn't believe what was happening until I read into it. Even the London Mayor has come out and spoken against what is going on. It's like saying I broke the speed limit driving a Japanese car and because of that (and the likely punishment in Japan for instance being harsher) I get extradited to Japan to be put on trial.
I have no time for any of these
s. But everyone who disagrees with our way of life isn't a terrorist. He was involved in setting up a web page from his home in the 90s. This was long before 9/11 or 7/7. If it was a crime then he should face trial here. As for Hamza yes please put him on a plane and send him on his way. I don't think you'll find many people who think otherwise.
RedTrident said:
If I've broken the law in this country I expect to be prosecuted here. Ahmed's case is nothing like Hamza's. Do you know anything about it? I didn't believe what was happening until I read into it. Even the London Mayor has come out and spoken against what is going on.
Frankly, I couldn't give a fk. Obviously everyone is wasting their time because he's innocent, but personally, I couldn't give a toss if all 5 we're dumped in the Atlantic on the flight to the US.Breadvan72 said:
I am inclined to agree. The Ahmad case is concerning, and seems very different from that of Hamza. There is a growing assault on free speech in the UK and the US; yet another self inflicted wound, and a way of handing victory to the Islamofascists by throwing away our values.
One point is that basically we're totally pussies and "our values" that you talk about are actually not those of most Brits. most Brits, like "most" of any country are basically retards. They may just about be able to parrot off "freedom of speech" or "equality before the law" or all those things, but they don't really believe in them. They believe in them... + "but". Just look at all the "I'm not in favour of the death penalty or coporal punishment, but X should be anally raped by twenty five psychos, flogged to within an inch of his life, then hung" type 'tards.Reality is that civilisation is basically a liberal construct that doesn't exist for most people, because most people have critical thinking skills no different to a baboon. Yet benefit from it immensely - they never say thanks though.
I wish I had a solution, I'm just so angry at the moment tbh.
tinman0 said:
Frankly, I couldn't give a fk. Obviously everyone is wasting their time because he's innocent, but personally, I couldn't give a toss if all 5 we're dumped in the Atlantic on the flight to the US.
People like you are so fk. Obviously everyone is wasting their time because he's innocent, but personally, I couldn't give a toss if all 5 we're dumped in the Atlantic on the flight to the US.king stupid. Why the fk is it me that always ends up defending fking extremists in conversation? I think all you savages should be left to yourself to fk everything up and de-invent the fking wheel. tt.tinman0 said:
Frankly, I couldn't give a fk. Obviously everyone is wasting their time because he's innocent, but personally, I couldn't give a toss if all 5 we're dumped in the Atlantic on the flight to the US.
I struggle to understand why people think that, because someone is accused of something, they must be guilty. Sometimes, it is fairly apparent from public domain info that someone did or did not do something. For example, that teacher looks bagn to rights on child abduction, on the basis of uncontested facts. The Ahmad case is far less clear. Do you have some details about the evidence against Ahmad that we lack? In any event, he is accused of running a Jihadist website. Should he be summarily executed if he did that? k. Obviously everyone is wasting their time because he's innocent, but personally, I couldn't give a toss if all 5 we're dumped in the Atlantic on the flight to the US.The case against Hamza looks stronger, but even he deserves a fair trial (which he can get in the USA).
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 3rd October 07:07
Breadvan72 said:
I struggle to understand why people think that, because someone is accused of something, they must be guilty. Sometimes, it is fairly apparent from public domain info that someone did or did not do something. For example, that teacher looks bagn to rights on child abduction, on the basis of uncontested facts. The Ahmad case is far less clear. Do you have some details about the evidence against Ahmad that we lack? In any event, he is accused of running a Jihadist website. Should he be summarily executed if he did that?
The case against Hamza looks stronger, but even he deserves a fair trial (which he can get in the USA).
because smart buggers like you get them off The case against Hamza looks stronger, but even he deserves a fair trial (which he can get in the USA).
Edited by Breadvan72 on Wednesday 3rd October 07:07
Luckily, I don't do crime (the pay is rubbish and the clients are awful), but people get off, by and large, when the prosecution fails to come up with the goodies. A good defence lawyer can make a difference, although, given the relatively low pay, a lot of them aren't that good, but that's the system we have We don't sufficiently fund prosecutors. The public wants effective criminal justice, but also wants it all done for a quid.
wolves_wanderer said:
tinman0 said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
most Brits, like "most" of any country are basically retards.
How is the air up there on that high horse you seem to be on?ETA there was a thread in the Business section about dumb things customers have done/said which was fantastic.
I don't get that. High earnings are a factor of markets. City traders are often less highly educated and qualified than doctors, lawyers, and engineers, and they arguably contribute less to the working of society, but they are paid more than the learned professions because the market says so.
Look's like one of the Judges feels his 'mentaL' impairment should be a reason to speed up his extradition. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19814992
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