Abu Hamza extradition halted .. again

[Lost_BMW]

A serious question, based on the debate above...

If the UN/EU/Warsi do implement the mooted ban on blasphemy etc. - linking it to hate crimes - will the rabid preachings of anti kaffir extremists also be banned/criminalised?

[D900SP]

Breadvan72 said:

So, a person who has a legally enforceable professional obligation to work for whichever client comes through the door is scum?

Does he become scum only when the client is convicted, or is it enough for the client to be accused of something bad?

What about a prison doctor who attends a sick prisoner? Is the doctor scum?

With so many one-sided views you are never going to win with that (correct) statement.

If any professional takes on a job, they are obliged to fully commit their resources.
I would have thought that entering any career that would entail dealing with people no-one else wants to would sometimes make that person unpopular with the public.
However, the public wants (needs) justice and equality.

Unfortunately, the person committing anything that leads to needing that help really doesn't give a thought to the public and their own responsibilities. Unlikely to change anytime soon.

[anonymous-user]

Marf said:

Hilts said:

Marf said:

Hilts said:

Breadvan72 said:

Er, was that the same Christopher Tappin who appealed and whinged like crazy and who is alleged to have helped sell weapons to Iran?

What weapons were these then?

Batteries. Heat seeking semi automatic thermonuclear batteries.

Good save there.

I'm not sure I agree with Breadvan's characterisation of Tappin as a whinger. He appealed the extradition in the UK courts, when that failed he handed himself in. He could probably have gone to the EHCR but didnt, unlike many others facing extradition to the US

Missile batteries. Thats the charge. It may or may not be true. Maybe Mr Tappin was not responsible for the whingeing on his behalf, but the press was full of such whingeing.

[anonymous-user]

PS: I add that I do agree that Mr Tappin did not play the system in the way that Hamza did. His case didn't offer an ECHR route because there is no real question about fairness of trial, or about imprisonment in a supermax prison.

[Borghetto]

Oh dear, it appears the Americans have removed his hook and his lawyer has asked for it back, so he can attend to his personal needs.

[Borghetto]

Oops I forgot to put in the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19861028

[thinfourth2]

Don't know what the fuss is about

Now he is in America he's armless

[Mermaid]

thinfourth2 said:

Now he is in America he's armless

I reckon this thread will have a long life

[Vipers]

Hopefully the American legal system wont pussy foot around like we did, and sort it quickly, unless he is totally innocent of all the alegations of course

[br d]

Breadvan72 said:

So, a person who has a legally enforceable professional obligation to work for whichever client comes through the door is scum?

Does he become scum only when the client is convicted, or is it enough for the client to be accused of something bad?

What about a prison doctor who attends a sick prisoner? Is the doctor scum?

This could fill a thousand threads and I find it fascinating.
Disregarding one ridiculous response you received BV, I think many of the general public do struggle with the concept of solicitors/barristers working hard to 'get scumbags off the hook'.

I certainly agree with you that any professional person must carry out their obligation to the best of their ability and you and the other PH legal bods have my respect but its not quite as cut and dried as that is it?

I have seen members of the legal profession state many times that they simply work with the information the client provides them and do not make judgements, but from my own experience (misspent youth!) a solicitor will definitely lead you and advise you on what to omit or include. I had a solicitor who was an ex police officer and he spent a good deal of time schooling me and my co-accused on the best way to dupe the court (all this was a very long time ago I will admit!).

So is that an exception? Maybe, but I think when the public see a person who has obviously murdered young children for instance, being represented by expensive briefs whos remit it is to 'get them off' they find it hard to believe that representative is acting purely through the blindfold and scales.

Not a dig at your work fella, in a civilised society what you do is vital, but its not as black and white as many in your profession would have us believe.

All just my humble, and possibly ignorant opinion of course.

[anonymous-user]

I think that the professional ethics of lawyers vary. Some sail very close to the wind. Others are more rigorous in observing professional codes. I am lucky, as I don't do crime and so the only scumbags that I have to represent are HMG.

[Laurel Green]

Vipers said:

Hopefully the American legal system wont pussy foot around like we did, and sort it quickly, unless he is totally innocent of all the alegations of course

I'm sure, given a week or two, he will be found dead in his cell - verdict, self strangulation.

[anonymous-user]

The US system is not notably quicker than ours, and there may be many stages before a verdict is reached, with potential for appeals thereafter, but this is no longer a problem for the UK.

[Tony 1234]

I wonder who's paying his legal cost's? not us I hope!!

[anonymous-user]

Hamza has Court-appointed lawyers, paid for by the US Government.

[mybrainhurts]

Borghetto said:

Oh dear, it appears the Americans have removed his hook and his lawyer has asked for it back, so he can attend to his personal needs.

He should be grateful...

No more accidental arse scratches.

[zcacogp]

Breadvan72 said:

... I don't do crime and so the only scumbags that I have to represent are HMG.

Hmmm, tautologous statement, perhaps Breadvan?


Oli.

[anonymous-user]

Tautological? I don't think so, although there is an oxymoronic element in saying that I don't do crime but act for HMG!

[Vipers]

Laurel Green said:

Vipers said:

Hopefully the American legal system wont pussy foot around like we did, and sort it quickly, unless he is totally innocent of all the alegations of course

I'm sure, given a week or two, he will be found dead in his cell - verdict, self strangulation.

Dear oh dear, I will be gutted . In hindsight we should have told him to sling his hook years ago......

[anonymous-user]

Marf said:

Well on the basis he's judging all solicitors to be scum, I guess it's safe to assume that TopOnePercent is a knuckle dragging tattoo'd no-necked skin headed burbery clad staffy owning charver because he drives a WRX?

Staffys rock!! ;-)