Police in search for missing 5 year old
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I'm guessing here that in the UK if someone is searching and then viewing child porn that MI5 /MI6 are tracking it and have a register of all known sites. I'm also guessing there must be a way for Joe Public to inform the authorities of new sites they have accidentally stumbled upon.
The biggest downside to the Web is that it has enabled such people ease of sharing vile videos quickly in a global way
Take this scenario to a work environment I'm very good friends with a HR director at a different company he told me about the filters they have ie if anyone stbles onto a porn site from a work PC or laptop it is instantly logged however only if they drill into further pages /content will HR act and its gross misconduct. Those who stumble onto a site are not contacted but it is stored onto their HR log if of course an individual continues to "stumble" into such sites its formal warning with the individual put too a really harsh performance improvement plan.
As he said Christ if you eat to look at porn do it from your home PC why on earth would you even think about doing it from work equipment utter madness and frankly that stupidity isn't a trait which the company wanted.
There was another case this chap (who was rumoured to always go on holiday alone to Thailand ) who firstly went up to one male in the office and asked him how do I print this picture off in colour best quality (yes not the sharpest tool in the box) anyway the chap went over to the PC and it was total x rates porn pic so he said after messing around with the printer settings he said actually I'm not 100% sure tell you what if I were you I'd ask Mrs X one of the PA ..... This idiot did and the inevitable happened she screamed you filthy dirty old man took the printed item straight inthe HR. this bloke was escorted off the building gross misconduct within 20mins. The reason the other bloke took that curse of action was firstly that this idiot was dire at his job ad they had been waiting a long time to get rid of him he couldn't believe his luck when he saw it on the PC.
The biggest downside to the Web is that it has enabled such people ease of sharing vile videos quickly in a global way
Take this scenario to a work environment I'm very good friends with a HR director at a different company he told me about the filters they have ie if anyone stbles onto a porn site from a work PC or laptop it is instantly logged however only if they drill into further pages /content will HR act and its gross misconduct. Those who stumble onto a site are not contacted but it is stored onto their HR log if of course an individual continues to "stumble" into such sites its formal warning with the individual put too a really harsh performance improvement plan.
As he said Christ if you eat to look at porn do it from your home PC why on earth would you even think about doing it from work equipment utter madness and frankly that stupidity isn't a trait which the company wanted.
There was another case this chap (who was rumoured to always go on holiday alone to Thailand ) who firstly went up to one male in the office and asked him how do I print this picture off in colour best quality (yes not the sharpest tool in the box) anyway the chap went over to the PC and it was total x rates porn pic so he said after messing around with the printer settings he said actually I'm not 100% sure tell you what if I were you I'd ask Mrs X one of the PA ..... This idiot did and the inevitable happened she screamed you filthy dirty old man took the printed item straight inthe HR. this bloke was escorted off the building gross misconduct within 20mins. The reason the other bloke took that curse of action was firstly that this idiot was dire at his job ad they had been waiting a long time to get rid of him he couldn't believe his luck when he saw it on the PC.
carinaman said:
That was what someone on Radio 4's PM said. He gave an example of when he was a Reporter and a Councillor was in court for kiddie molesting in the 70s or 80s. His Editor said 'Paedophilia? Our readers don't want to know about that.'
They discussed whether it reflects that society is less tolerant of violence as a whole but the obvious thought, and as probably discussed, that there's a certain market for such stories now.
What is upsetting is that he attended a PTA evening earlier before snatching April. That's a disturbing thought. It gives credence to those that don't allow or carefully control parents taking photos of Nativity Plays, Sports Days and around Swimming Pools?
Killing time I've been known to loiter around cars in car parks because I like cars. Someone can't hang around waiting for people in shops by looking at cars in the car park outside without having some nefarious intent, just as some can't be around children without some ulterior motive?
The reporter involved was Mark Easton (now a well known economics reporter) and the incident occurred when he was a junior reporter at the Southern Evening Echo in 1979.They discussed whether it reflects that society is less tolerant of violence as a whole but the obvious thought, and as probably discussed, that there's a certain market for such stories now.
What is upsetting is that he attended a PTA evening earlier before snatching April. That's a disturbing thought. It gives credence to those that don't allow or carefully control parents taking photos of Nativity Plays, Sports Days and around Swimming Pools?
Killing time I've been known to loiter around cars in car parks because I like cars. Someone can't hang around waiting for people in shops by looking at cars in the car park outside without having some nefarious intent, just as some can't be around children without some ulterior motive?
Welshbeef said:
True. Though if we could understand then there may be a way to stop or reduce the incidents?
I'd really like to hear his reason for why - firstly is why a very young girl looking for his jollies instead of a consenting adult ? Secondly once he had had jollies why at that point did he need to end her life, why not take her to te hospital (and quickly leave the country - if avoiding capture was his aim) and finally once caught with all the evidence against you why keep fighting it instead put your hands up admit it plead guilty and maybe the sentence will be less - or at least that would give some comfort to the parents to hear the whole story and know where she is (Im guessing that is all that they would want to know rather than never knowing)
I'd also want his family to give interviews to the press they might be totally divorced from him but an insight into his wretched life may help understand what caused the trigger for him to commit the crimes.
Whilst this is a terrible incident I think we should bear in mind that the murder of children is relatively rare. I am not sure there is that much to understand about him, he appears to be a fantasist loser type with a severe drinking problem, whether he had a sexual interest in children first or his Internet searches developed this interest who knows? His prolonging of the agony of the parents is incredibly cruel.I'd really like to hear his reason for why - firstly is why a very young girl looking for his jollies instead of a consenting adult ? Secondly once he had had jollies why at that point did he need to end her life, why not take her to te hospital (and quickly leave the country - if avoiding capture was his aim) and finally once caught with all the evidence against you why keep fighting it instead put your hands up admit it plead guilty and maybe the sentence will be less - or at least that would give some comfort to the parents to hear the whole story and know where she is (Im guessing that is all that they would want to know rather than never knowing)
I'd also want his family to give interviews to the press they might be totally divorced from him but an insight into his wretched life may help understand what caused the trigger for him to commit the crimes.
greygoose said:
Whilst this is a terrible incident I think we should bear in mind that the murder of children is relatively rare. I am not sure there is that much to understand about him, he appears to be a fantasist loser type with a severe drinking problem, whether he had a sexual interest in children first or his Internet searches developed this interest who knows? His prolonging of the agony of the parents is incredibly cruel.
I say he knows exactly what he did where the body is or how he disposed of it and is actually enjoying the continued agony to the parents. Just like Brady. I'm sure if we were allowed to interrogate a clearly guilty suspect with torture the truth would come out.
Welshbeef said:
I say he knows exactly what he did where the body is or how he disposed of it and is actually enjoying the continued agony to the parents. Just like Brady.
I'm sure if we were allowed to interrogate a clearly guilty suspect with torture the truth would come out.
Or lots of false info. Torture is not a reliable tool.I'm sure if we were allowed to interrogate a clearly guilty suspect with torture the truth would come out.
Grenoble said:
Welshbeef said:
I say he knows exactly what he did where the body is or how he disposed of it and is actually enjoying the continued agony to the parents. Just like Brady.
I'm sure if we were allowed to interrogate a clearly guilty suspect with torture the truth would come out.
Or lots of false info. Torture is not a reliable tool.I'm sure if we were allowed to interrogate a clearly guilty suspect with torture the truth would come out.
So no-one saw this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10085...
Seems like the obvious happened, and as said on the link he put what was left of the body in the river. So sadly there's nothing to find. Police can't prove anything one way or another and he has no benefit from admitting this publicly and can't prove it either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10085...
Seems like the obvious happened, and as said on the link he put what was left of the body in the river. So sadly there's nothing to find. Police can't prove anything one way or another and he has no benefit from admitting this publicly and can't prove it either.
10 Pence Short said:
And if the body is burned to bones and the bones dumped in a flooded river, how do you propose the tortured prisoner can show you where the body is?
In that situation, he is unfortunately unable to give you the information he needs to get you to stop torturing him - but he still isn't able to pass off any untrue information. (Again, not for one second condoning torturing anyone, just pointing out that when the truth or otherwise of the subjects claims can be easily verified, the game is different)
t all the way through. ALawson said:
The debate on prison attacks directed at child murderers/paedos/rapists is usually:a) He's a paedophile who murdered a child so he deserves to get attached multiple times and possibly murdered by other inmates.
b) His punishment is life imprisonment, not attacks by other prisoners. The prison service should do it's job properly and stop prisoners attacking each other.
Hearing the news this morning really made the day kick off to a Superb start. I really hope it was agony utter agony.
I can imagine that he will live in fear every day of his vile existence I can imagine this will happen time and time again.
Legally I guess the prison officers have to take care of inmates.... Um frankly sometimes the law is just plain wrong.
I can imagine that he will live in fear every day of his vile existence I can imagine this will happen time and time again.
Legally I guess the prison officers have to take care of inmates.... Um frankly sometimes the law is just plain wrong.
As long as he is in wakefield nick he will be a target, its a jail that houses some of the worst lifers in the country complete with its own "hannibal lecter2 suite. the lifers there realy have nothing to lose as many will not see the light of freedom again and doing these kinds of things gives them stature inside with the other convicts. as said before i hope it bloody well hurt him !!
NinjaPower said:
ALawson said:
The debate on prison attacks directed at child murderers/paedos/rapists is usually:a) He's a paedophile who murdered a child so he deserves to get attached multiple times and possibly murdered by other inmates.
b) His punishment is life imprisonment, not attacks by other prisoners. The prison service should do it's job properly and stop prisoners attacking each other.
The state should either hang such people or lock them up for life but without the attacks.
And I daresay the person who attacked him has a lot of history to be ashamed of too.
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