Police in search for missing 5 year old
Discussion
Getragdogleg said:
Assuming the police have the right man my theory is that there was some kind of accident, he panicked and hid the body. He was arrested as there were witnesses to him "picking her up" but he thought he could bluff his way out of it, in the process making the situation way way worse for himself.
Now he is in a very deep hole, he has wasted Police time and the FB using public want-a-hangin, time will tell, the truth may never come out.
Where do you keep getting this from? Now he is in a very deep hole, he has wasted Police time and the FB using public want-a-hangin, time will tell, the truth may never come out.
Witnesses say she got into a vehicle very like his. Witnesses say they saw him acting and driving erratically around the time of the abduction and the day after. Witnesses say he was seen disposing of a bin bag into a river. Police think they have enough evidence against him to name him, then to apply to keep him in custody for longer, then to charge him. CPP say there is enough evidence to charge him with abduction and murder, no hint of an accident.
So, essentially, wtf?
Getragdogleg said:
Assuming the police have the right man my theory is that there was some kind of accident, he panicked and hid the body. He was arrested as there were witnesses to him "picking her up" but he thought he could bluff his way out of it, in the process making the situation way way worse for himself.
Now he is in a very deep hole, he has wasted Police time and the FB using public want-a-hangin, time will tell, the truth may never come out.
He's going to have a hard time admitting it was an accident after initialy abducting her. Even harder after trying to pervert the course of justice by not being generouus with information. He's digging his own hole.Now he is in a very deep hole, he has wasted Police time and the FB using public want-a-hangin, time will tell, the truth may never come out.
I think what was being suggested above was that the guy was driving down the street she was playing in (possibly drunk, explaining the "erratic driving") and ran into her. He panicked, pulled her into the car, and drove off.
Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
mcxuk1 said:
Cheib said:
My guess is they had some kind of evidence on Monday or Tuesday that he had abducted her which gave them enough to feel confident of releasing his name. The Crown Prosecutor has said he's been in consultation with police since Tuesday so he must have been part of that decision. They now probably have forensic evidence of some kind to charge with murder ?
I can't think how they can charge him for murder otherwise.
Whatever it is let's hope if it is him they've got enough to string him up. Hopefully someone will get to him inside.....just enough to make him suffer.
You mean if he is found guilty of course?I can't think how they can charge him for murder otherwise.
Whatever it is let's hope if it is him they've got enough to string him up. Hopefully someone will get to him inside.....just enough to make him suffer.
I do think that whatever evidence the police had on Monday or Tuesday must be pretty strong though....it's very unusual to release the suspect's name like they did on Tuesday. Obviously they may have taken the risk because of trying to find her alive though.
This guy has a strange background from the little we know...how many people live on the same council estate as their 18 year old son and have never met them ?
ZR1cliff said:
He's digging his own hole.
Again..the hole was already dug. His major hope is they don't find the body and that the rest of the 'evidence' (I wonder how much there really is, but it was all but impossible to release him now) is insufficiently robust to stand up in court.I was thinking about the lack of info and have drawn a few amateur conclusions. If it (whatever it is) was an accident then 99% of folk would spill the beans especially after legal advice, if it wasn't him he'd have been making a huge fuss (at least I know I would) and would have given enough detail of his movements to prove innocence, the final option is he has done something evil and is utterly remorseless.
I can't see charges taking so long if it were anything other than my last conclusion.
I can't see charges taking so long if it were anything other than my last conclusion.
clockworks said:
I think what was being suggested above was that the guy was driving down the street she was playing in (possibly drunk, explaining the "erratic driving") and ran into her. He panicked, pulled her into the car, and drove off.
Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
Only one flaw in that, a decent individual who might have got themselves in a fix, would at one time over the last 5 days felt enough remorse to come clean and provide information of where the body is.Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
Another flaw is the PCS say they have enough evidence for a charge of murder and not man slaughter.
Deva Link said:
ZR1cliff said:
He's digging his own hole.
Again..the hole was already dug. His major hope is they don't find the body and that the rest of the 'evidence' (I wonder how much there really is, but it was all but impossible to release him now) is insufficiently robust to stand up in court.No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
Imagine if it was your daughter , the liberal do-gooders on here , would you be so forgiving and complacent then.
It must be a living nightmare for the parents , I hope he is judged accordingly by the fellow inmates of his new establishment.
Imagine if it was your daughter , the liberal do-gooders on here , would you be so forgiving and complacent then.
It must be a living nightmare for the parents , I hope he is judged accordingly by the fellow inmates of his new establishment.
ZR1cliff said:
clockworks said:
I think what was being suggested above was that the guy was driving down the street she was playing in (possibly drunk, explaining the "erratic driving") and ran into her. He panicked, pulled her into the car, and drove off.
Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
Only one flaw in that, a decent individual who might have got themselves in a fix, would at one time over the last 5 days felt enough remorse to come clean and provide information of where the body is.Maybe he intended to take her to hospital, but, realising that she was dead, he disposed of the body in an attempt to cover it up.
Makes a lot more sense to me than abducting her. Not the sort of thing that a family man does to other people's kids, surely?
Put yourself in his shoes, if a drunken RTA was what happened. You are driving drunk. You hit a child, who your own kids play with and go to school with. She's dead. Could you face up to the consequences of stopping there and waiting for the police to arrive. You'd be seen as a murderer by your neighbours anyway.
The other choices are covering it up, and going off to top yourself.
Another flaw is the PCS say they have enough evidence for a charge of murder and not man slaughter.
ali_kat said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
How quickly they forget - 2010, Christopher Jefferies in Clifton, Bristol?Accused maybe . Different status. Do you have kids ?
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
I can see where you're coming from, and whilst I probably shouldn't do, on the balance of probabilities I tend to agree with you, however what do we know about the chap other than what's been reported in the media?I don't think the Police go around deliberately trying to fit people up, but most of the info we have hasn't come from them AFAIK.
If someone went missing or was murdered in your area and somehow you got dragged into it and the media got hold of your name trust me, they would f
k you over so that your own mum would think you "looked the sort" and "no smoke without fire" by the time they'd done with you.Not being particularly au-fait with the thought processes of your average killer, I do wonder what the motive/ation might have been for snatching her, murdering her and disposing of the corpse in such a short elapsed time - which in turn does lead me to wonder what his original intention was and whether things panned out that way, or whether "something else" happened.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
I can see where you're coming from, and whilst I probably shouldn't do, on the balance of probabilities I tend to agree with you, however what do we know about the chap other than what's been reported in the media?I don't think the Police go around deliberately trying to fit people up, but most of the info we have hasn't come from them AFAIK.
If someone went missing or was murdered in your area and somehow you got dragged into it and the media got hold of your name trust me, they would f
k you over so that your own mum would think you "looked the sort" and "no smoke without fire" by the time they'd done with you.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff