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ali_kat
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90 months
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Efbe said: I mean it is very odd an ex soldier who is trained to think in stressful situations would dump the body somewhere like this? He's not. The Military have confirmed they have no record of him
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Jasandjules
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98 months
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We probably will never know what happened. I feel really sorry for the parents though, this must just be a living hell for them.
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ali_kat
22,444 posts
90 months
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Efbe said: what if all he is guilt of is having a LHD discovery, which the police were already searching for due to the previous attempted abduction?
what is a white van was seen in the abduction, and that as been ignored because the police were too focussed on a previous case. I think they have slightly more than that, however... originally it was a light coloured van; quite how kids got that so wrong as to be a blue Landrover I'm not sure. Efbe said: the thing is we don't have a clue, and we can't. we don't have a fraction of the facts, so supposing and drawing conclusions as fact is quite daft, even dangerous 
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Efbe
4,862 posts
35 months
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ali_kat said: He's not. The Military have confirmed they have no record of him surprising. where idd that come from then, him or others? ali_kat said: Efbe said: what if all he is guilt of is having a LHD discovery, which the police were already searching for due to the previous attempted abduction?
what is a white van was seen in the abduction, and that as been ignored because the police were too focussed on a previous case. I think they have slightly more than that, however... originally it was a light coloured van; quite how kids got that so wrong as to be a blue Landrover I'm not sure. Efbe said: the thing is we don't have a clue, and we can't. we don't have a fraction of the facts, so supposing and drawing conclusions as fact is quite daft, even dangerous Let's just hope the police do have more than that anyhow. I would like to see him either being proven guilty or innocent, not being let off for not enough evidence, that would be too worrying.
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Superhoop
2,483 posts
62 months
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I don't see how you can have a murder without finding a body? I'm also struggling with him having a dark blue LR Discovery, when the witnesses saw a 'light coloured van' , and the PCOJ charge seems odd too
They obviously have enough for the CPS to allow him to be charged, and I guess we won't find out until his trial
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Grenoble
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24 months
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rover 623gsi
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30 months
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murder convictions without a body are obviusly more difficult but not as rare as people may think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-husban...Prout, 49, of Redmarley, Gloucestershire, was convicted of his wife's murder in February last year despite her body never having been found. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1616170.stmA bar worker who murdered a woman with whom he had a three-in-a-bed sex romp has been jailed for life. Gavin Taylor, 29, killed Herjit Kaur Thethy after she fell in love with his girlfriend Natalie Clayton-Robson, 20, following the drunken romp. For ten months he stalked and harassed the two women who had moved in together. A jury at Birmingham Crown Court unanimously convicted Taylor, formerly of Beale Close, Birmingham. Miss Thethy's body, which the court heard was dumped in a skip, has never been found. Sentencing him on Tuesday, Mr Justice Keith said: "No one will ever know for sure how Herjit Thethy died or what you did to her but by their verdict, the jury have made it clear that she died at your hands in circumstances amounting to murder. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/disappe...The disappearance of Suzanne Pilley prompted one of Scotland’s most complex murder hunts in recent years. Yet though her body has never been found suspicion soon fell on her former lover David Gilroy. ..... As he was led away to begin a minimum 18-year-sentence there were shouts of “tell us where she is” and “you rot” from the public gallery. http://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/news/9088975.Dani...mum_speaks10_years_on/ THE mother of a schoolgirl murdered by her uncle ten years ago doesn’t believe the killer will ever reveal where her daughter’s body is. Fifteen-year-old Danielle Jones vanished without a trace on the morning on Monday, June 18, 2001. Her mother, Linda Jones, believes Stuart Campbell, currently serving a life sentence for the crime, enjoys the power he still has over them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181700/Se...A sex attacker convicted of raping and murdering a mother-of-two whose body has never been found has been jailed for life. Martin Stafford, 44, abducted female security guard Michelle Gunshon from a pub in December 2004, before carrying out the brutal sex attack and killing. The body of the 38-year-old has never been found since she went missing and Stafford has refused to give a location. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17583485The wife and daughter of a man who vanished more than 10 years ago have been found guilty of his murder.
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Ozzie Osmond
12,078 posts
115 months
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Rollcage
9,177 posts
61 months
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Relatively recent though IIRC, convicting without a body?
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Oakey
13,696 posts
85 months
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Grenoble
7,666 posts
24 months
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EvoraEvora
984 posts
96 months
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ali_kat said: Efbe said: what if all he is guilt of is having a LHD discovery, which the police were already searching for due to the previous attempted abduction?
what is a white van was seen in the abduction, and that as been ignored because the police were too focussed on a previous case. I think they have slightly more than that, however... originally it was a light coloured van; quite how kids got that so wrong as to be a blue Landrover I'm not sure. Efbe said: the thing is we don't have a clue, and we can't. we don't have a fraction of the facts, so supposing and drawing conclusions as fact is quite daft, even dangerous Sorry!!! but you are really coming across as some sort of apologist for this scumbag - the CPS obviously have overwhelming evidence against him otherwise there would be no charge.
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Oakey
13,696 posts
85 months
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EvoraEvora
984 posts
96 months
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Yep Stockport nurse - next!
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Oakey
13,696 posts
85 months
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'Next' what? 'Next' person to condemn in your kangaroo court?
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Getragdogleg
3,665 posts
52 months
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EvoraEvora said: Sorry!!! but you are really coming across as some sort of apologist for this scumbag - the CPS obviously have overwhelming evidence against him otherwise there would be no charge. Alleged scumbag, please try to keep in mind that there has been no trial, not even a full police statement yet about what they think/believe happend. If you cannot get your head around the "alleged" bit of the above then you might want to get back to Facebook where you can be among all the others who would see the guy hung or lynched just because "he has dark eyes" or something.
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CommanderJameson
20,657 posts
95 months
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I have a gut feeling that this chap will end up with all charges dropped.
Just seems a bit quick. The pressure on the police to come up with a suspect must have been immense.
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
84 months
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I dread to think he's innocent, jesus they've done a number on him if he is.
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Grenoble
7,666 posts
24 months
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CommanderJameson said: I have a gut feeling that this chap will end up with all charges dropped.
Just seems a bit quick. The pressure on the police to come up with a suspect must have been immense. It's the PCOJ that I can't work out in light of the other charges.
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Getragdogleg
3,665 posts
52 months
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Grenoble said: It's the PCOJ that I can't work out in light of the other charges. Thats the curious one. Is he perhaps some sort of fantasist idiot who has been willfully wasting the police time so he as been charged with PCOJ as well as the other charges but it might be that only the PCOJ sticks in the end? From what I understand the Police had to charge him by 5pm tonight or let him go but now cannot question him further.
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