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rover 623gsi

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58 months

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Getragdogleg said:
Seems pretty clear. Also the "fair trial" warning is clear as well.

I hope that those searching find her, I hope they can bring some closure to the family and I hope the guilty party gets the punishment deserved for whatever it is they did to her.

Nasty business.
Indeed it is. Unbelievably heartbreaking and tragic.

Cheib

9,963 posts

72 months

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CommanderJameson said:
Just seems a bit quick. The pressure on the police to come up with a suspect must have been immense.
Definitely. Though these crimes are nearly always committed by someone local.

One thing we don't know is if he has a history of violent crime or some such....and obviously are unlikely to know until his possible trial is over.

All we seem to know is that he has children my multiple mothers some of whom have absolutely nothing to do with him.

Welshbeef

21,662 posts

95 months

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otolith said:
He may have told them, the answer might be "in the river" frown
Highly likely place to dispose of a body.

River is rough and fast deep too for a river.
I'm guessing IF she is dead and IF someone wanted to off someone in a river thick black plastic bags And metal chains or weight to hold her down. The river doesn't have clear water so scuba diving for the body would be very difficult to find.


If its not him or if she was still alive when he was caught by now you have to think with the cold and bad weather no food possibly no drink too how could she survive.


I hope she is safe - if not I hope the who did it burns in Hell.

hornetrider

54,191 posts

102 months

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Can we kindly get this thread back on topic please.

otolith

29,258 posts

101 months

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I think the Dyfi is usually pretty clear above the estuary, it's a salmon and trout river. Not when it's in spate like it is now, though. If there's a weighted body in there I would think it will be found when the levels drop, and if unweighted I expect it will wash up somewhere in on the coast. Not wishing to be unnecessarily morbid about it.
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OzzyR1

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129 months

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What a thoroughly appalling state of affairs.

If the young girl is found dead (which sadly looks increasingly likely), then my heart goes out to her family and friends.

If this bloke they have in custody is guilty, he will get whatever punishment is due to him via the UK justice system.

I can't help thinking about the more peripheral victims though. Should Bridger be found guilty then his daughter will be in a position where she is at school, in a classroom with everyone's knowledge her dad has offed one of her classmates.

Poor kid.

TheSnitch

2,083 posts

51 months

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Superhoop said:
I don't see how you can have a murder without finding a body? I'm also struggling with him having a dark blue LR Discovery, when the witnesses saw a 'light coloured van' , and the PCOJ charge seems odd too

They obviously have enough for the CPS to allow him to be charged, and I guess we won't find out until his trial
Plenty of examples - Muriel McKay, Suzanne Pilley, Danielle Jones to name but a few

Eyewitness evidence is often unreliable. We were told a ''light-coloured van, possibly grey. The vehicle in question had a big grey flash down the side. That flash may be what registered with the witness.

It's all guesswork and supposition at the moment. I am quite sure they had plenty of evidence with which to justify the charges, and please god, for so many reasons, they are able to find the body of this poor bairn soon.

TheSnitch

2,083 posts

51 months

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ali_kat said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
How quickly they forget - 2010, Christopher Jefferies in Clifton, Bristol?
Jefferies was never charged, remember?

Here's the thing. Bridger has been charged. The CPS will not recommend charging him unless they believe there is sufficient evidence to have a realistic chance of a conviction. At the moment, however, he is charged with several offences, not guilty of them. That remains to be decided at his trial.

I am baffled by the need people have to start looking for other explanations and scenarios - it's only a step away from winding tinfoil around your head and gibbering about missiles and holographic planes imo.

Can't you just wait until the trial? You have no idea how much evidence they may already have. I think if it was my child I wouldn't be keen on people speculating that he ran her over and couldn't deal - especially not when witnesses saw her get into the car. No-one is pinning a guilty badge on him yet - but there sure as hell is no reason to be going around pinning ''innocent'' ones to him either

Oakey

18,324 posts

113 months

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Again, Rebecca Leighton was charged.

Kinky

35,412 posts

166 months

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hornetrider said:
Can we kindly get this thread back on topic please.
Done.

ZR1cliff

17,987 posts

146 months

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TheSnitch said:
Jefferies was never charged, remember?

Here's the thing. Bridger has been charged. The CPS will not recommend charging him unless they believe there is sufficient evidence to have a realistic chance of a conviction. At the moment, however, he is charged with several offences, not guilty of them. That remains to be decided at his trial.

I am baffled by the need people have to start looking for other explanations and scenarios - it's only a step away from winding tinfoil around your head and gibbering about missiles and holographic planes imo.

Can't you just wait until the trial? You have no idea how much evidence they may already have. I think if it was my child I wouldn't be keen on people speculating that he ran her over and couldn't deal - especially not when witnesses saw her get into the car. No-one is pinning a guilty badge on him yet - but there sure as hell is no reason to be going around pinning ''innocent'' ones to him either
My thoughts eactly and well put.

hornetrider

54,191 posts

102 months

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Kinky said:
Done.
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ali_kat

28,878 posts

118 months

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TheSnitch said:
Jefferies was never charged, remember?

. No-one is pinning a guilty badge on him yet - but there sure as hell is no reason to be going around pinning ''innocent'' ones to him either
yes but as was discussed yesterday for a couple of pages, others have been, & convicted. Jeffries however had a similar 'hang him' pages set up on FB.

confusedyes look on FB - there are thousands that have pinned him as guilty.

All I & others are saying is, like you, wait until the trial to decide!

rich1231

17,038 posts

157 months

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ali_kat said:
yes but as was discussed yesterday for a couple of pages, others have been, & convicted. Jeffries however had a similar 'hang him' pages set up on FB.

confusedyes look on FB - there are thousands that have pinned him as guilty.

All I & others are saying is, like you, wait until the trial to decide!
yet you have been one of the worst offenders when posting speculation.

ali_kat

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Erm, I haven't put any theories up confused

I've said innocent until proven guilty, queried things that have been said as evidence now changed, confirmed points but no theories, other than I can't understand how a parent could do this to one of his child's friends & that was agreeing with someone else.

But no reasons based on inconclusive evidence.

Rollcage

11,316 posts

89 months

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rich1231 said:
ali_kat said:
yes but as was discussed yesterday for a couple of pages, others have been, & convicted. Jeffries however had a similar 'hang him' pages set up on FB.

confusedyes look on FB - there are thousands that have pinned him as guilty.

All I & others are saying is, like you, wait until the trial to decide!
yet you have been one of the worst offenders when posting speculation.
That's not the case, if you read the thread properly.

Plenty of comment, but no speculation as to his guilt or innocence.

TheSnitch

2,083 posts

51 months

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ali_kat said:
TheSnitch said:
Jefferies was never charged, remember?

Here's the thing. Bridger has been charged. The CPS will not recommend charging him unless they believe there is sufficient evidence to have a realistic chance of a conviction. At the moment, however, he is charged with several offences, not guilty of them. That remains to be decided at his trial.

I am baffled by the need people have to start looking for other explanations and scenarios - it's only a step away from winding tinfoil around your head and gibbering about missiles and holographic planes imo.

Can't you just wait until the trial? You have no idea how much evidence they may already have. I think if it was my child I wouldn't be keen on people speculating that he ran her over and couldn't deal - especially not when witnesses saw her get into the car. No-one is pinning a guilty badge on him yet - but there sure as hell is no reason to be going around pinning ''innocent'' ones to him either
yes but as was discussed yesterday for a couple of pages, others have been, & convicted. Jeffries however had a similar 'hang him' pages set up on FB.

confusedyes look on FB - there are thousands that have pinned him as guilty.

All I & others are saying is, like you, wait until the trial to decide!
Sorry, but I find this answer rather disengenuous.

I have restored my post in full. I felt that you cropped it in such a way as to alter the meaning of it entirely, and without indicating that you had cropped it, in order to make it look as if I was agreeing with you, when I certainly wasn't.
Not really sure why you have included a reference to FB and various ''hang him '' pages, as it has no relevance whatsoever to my post.

A couple of pages ago you appeared to me to be speculating on the case, saying that you couldn't find reasons why he would have done such a thing, and agreeing with another poster when they were suggesting other scenarios. That was exactly the kind of behaviour I was illustrating in the part of my post you saw fit to crop. Please don't. We are not in agreement, and I would rather you did not attempt to make it appear that we are.


ali_kat

28,878 posts

118 months

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TheSnitch said:
Sorry, but I find this answer rather disengenuous.

I have restored my post in full. I felt that you cropped it in such a way as to alter the meaning of it entirely, and without indicating that you had cropped it, in order to make it look as if I was agreeing with you, when I certainly wasn't.
Not really sure why you have included a reference to FB and various ''hang him '' pages, as it has no relevance whatsoever to my post.

A couple of pages ago you appeared to me to be speculating on the case, saying that you couldn't find reasons why he would have done such a thing, and agreeing with another poster when they were suggesting other scenarios. That was exactly the kind of behaviour I was illustrating in the part of my post you saw fit to crop. Please don't. We are not in agreement, and I would rather you did not attempt to make it appear that we are.
confused I haven't agreed with any scenarios, as I replied to Rich earlier, the only thing I've agreed with is a poster saying it is beyond my comprehension that a Father would do this to his daughter's classmate.

I referred to FB because you said no one was pinning him as guilty, yet there are thousands of people doing just that on FB, which makes it relevant as your statement is incorrect. I also pointed out that there are people that have done time for crimes that they are innocent of, so CPS DO get things wrong.

I cropped your post in a fairly obvious way, not to make it look like you agreed with me, but to answer your Jeffries query & because I agreed with your last point.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty, and even that is not clear cut.

People speculate, that is human nature, most want to believe that others are not as evil as they are being made out to be.

TheSnitch

2,083 posts

51 months

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ali_kat said:
TheSnitch said:
Sorry, but I find this answer rather disengenuous.

I have restored my post in full. I felt that you cropped it in such a way as to alter the meaning of it entirely, and without indicating that you had cropped it, in order to make it look as if I was agreeing with you, when I certainly wasn't.
Not really sure why you have included a reference to FB and various ''hang him '' pages, as it has no relevance whatsoever to my post.

A couple of pages ago you appeared to me to be speculating on the case, saying that you couldn't find reasons why he would have done such a thing, and agreeing with another poster when they were suggesting other scenarios. That was exactly the kind of behaviour I was illustrating in the part of my post you saw fit to crop. Please don't. We are not in agreement, and I would rather you did not attempt to make it appear that we are.
confused I haven't agreed with any scenarios, as I replied to Rich earlier, the only thing I've agreed with is a poster saying it is beyond my comprehension that a Father would do this to his daughter's classmate.

I referred to FB because you said no one was pinning him as guilty, yet there are thousands of people doing just that on FB, which makes it relevant as your statement is incorrect. I also pointed out that there are people that have done time for crimes that they are innocent of, so CPS DO get things wrong.

I cropped your post in a fairly obvious way, not to make it look like you agreed with me, but to answer your Jeffries query & because I agreed with your last point.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty, and even that is not clear cut.

People speculate, that is human nature, most want to believe that others are not as evil as they are being made out to be.
I am sorry, but you are being less than truthful again

This is what another poster had to say:

''Remember though those witnesses are also members of the public and my point about remembering how stupid they can be stands when dealing with what they saw.

I am not hanging the guy out to dry quite yet, I am sure he is involved and I am sure we will learn how involved in the fullness of time but I think he might also be uttery stupid and has done a stupid thing and tried to cover it up.

In a way I hope I am right, the idea of him taking the 5 year old playmate of his own kids from the street in his home town and killing her is a bit too nasty for me to understand, even accounting for stupidity.''

You then replied

''That's kinda summing up my thoughts & feelings, especially the bit I've put in bold''
( The bit you had put in bold was his last sentence)

So it certainly appeared that you were agreeing with speculation that he ''might also be uttery stupid and has done a stupid thing and tried to cover it up.''


As regards the FB reference, you introduced that. I was referring to PH, not to Facebook.
As regards this : ''People speculate, that is human nature, most want to believe that others are not as evil as they are being made out to be'' and reference to the fact that he was known to the family, maybe you need to do a bit of background reading? In cases like this, the overwhelming majority of murders are committed by either a family member or someone close to the family.

Welshbeef

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Just watched the church service on TV.
That was so emotional very hard to view I still hope she is found alive and well but chances are so remote. If she was killed died I hope it was painless and quick, and I really hope the monster who did it suffers
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