Police in search for missing 5 year old
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Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
Guam said:
Said this before so going to say it again, there is not and never has been constitutionally protected freedom of speech in this country EXCEPT at speakers corner.
There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.
Its time that was changed and codified imho!
Also, re. people talking about there 'always being sick jokes' etc - well yes, that's true, but the people who told them generally told them to people they knew would find them funny. On Twitter you're telling them to the entire world regardless. Any newspaper with a similar reach and circulation wouldn't dare print that sort of thing or put it on their website so I can't see it being in Twitter's interest to allow that sort of thing.There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.
Its time that was changed and codified imho!
And again, that's not 'curtailing free speech', it's encouraging discretion. No-one's stopping people saying things, but perhaps they shouldn't be saying them quite so publically.
Same goes for the press in the aftermath of Leveson. The Press Compaints Commission's differentiation between 'public interest' and 'the interest of the public' needs codifying asap. It'd have the side-effect of strengthening good journalism too - corrupt companies trying to threaten newspapers with injunctions wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court, while the gutter-press types who go to any length to get a photo of someone for the sake of it would find themselves out of a job.
XCP said:
Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
London424 said:
XCP said:
Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
XCP said:
2 cases in 37 years hardly amounts to 'all the time'.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Untouchables-justice-racism-Scotland-Bloomsbury/dp/144820903X/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1349689138&sr=8-11Amazon said:
Republished after seven years, it was the first book to question the cosy relationship between the Yard and sections of the media, to explain why cops are incapable of investigating themselves and to expose the lack of independence in the new police watchdog.
From the 1983 Brinks Matt robbery, through the murders of Daniel Morgan, David Norris, Stephen Lawrence, Jill Dando and Damilola Taylor to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, Untouchables reveals the cover ups, double standards and miscarriages of justice during the Yard's phoney war on corruption.
Sunday Times journalist Michael Gillard and TV producer Laurie Flynn expose how the discredited use of supergrasses in the war on corruption has re-emerged in the new wars on terror and crime, with the same disastrous effects: prosecution misconduct, collapsed trials, huge bills for the taxpayer, victims left without justice and the guilty walking free.
From the 1983 Brinks Matt robbery, through the murders of Daniel Morgan, David Norris, Stephen Lawrence, Jill Dando and Damilola Taylor to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, Untouchables reveals the cover ups, double standards and miscarriages of justice during the Yard's phoney war on corruption.
Sunday Times journalist Michael Gillard and TV producer Laurie Flynn expose how the discredited use of supergrasses in the war on corruption has re-emerged in the new wars on terror and crime, with the same disastrous effects: prosecution misconduct, collapsed trials, huge bills for the taxpayer, victims left without justice and the guilty walking free.
Chrisw666 said:
BBC reporting Bridger crying in court as the charges were read out, so perhaps not your average sociopath.
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her. The truth will out, no doubt, and I think his motivations may well have been despicable, but I'm still not convinced he actually meant to take her life. I'm not for one minute condoning what he did, but I don't think we should be calling for him to be hanged and flogged until we know the whole story.Guam said:
Said this before so going to say it again, there is not and never has been constitutionally protected freedom of speech in this country EXCEPT at speakers corner.
There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.
Its time that was changed and codified imho!
It depends what you mean by freedom of speech. There is not, and never will be, an absolute right to say whatever you want to anyone. There are always some limits placed on free speech. There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.
Its time that was changed and codified imho!
In this country the presumption is that you can say anything, unless what you say is unlawful in some way. Which is, in effect, freedom of speech.
Speaker's Corner does not have special status in this respect.
AB said:
Twincam16 said:
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her.
Wouldn't be murder then, would it?Twincam16 said:
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her. The truth will out, no doubt, and I think his motivations may well have been despicable, but I'm still not convinced he actually meant to take her life. I'm not for one minute condoning what he did, but I don't think we should be calling for him to be hanged and flogged until we know the whole story.
Why post this nonsense speculation? This and so many other posts on this topic just go beyond what any rational person should think or post. You have an idea and you feel compelled to make a statement as if its somehow factual... "I'm still not sure he meant to kill her" and other remarks phrased as if they are absolutes.rover 623gsi said:
I’m not sure that Twincam’s statement is any more or less nonsense that around 90% of all the posts not just on this thread but on the whole forum.
I'd agree,and if we all kept our opinions and thoughts to ourselves,there would be no PH,or any other forums,the webz would, in fact be a very dull world indeed.don'tbesilly said:
rover 623gsi said:
I’m not sure that Twincam’s statement is any more or less nonsense that around 90% of all the posts not just on this thread but on the whole forum.
I'd agree,and if we all kept our opinions and thoughts to ourselves,there would be no PH,or any other forums,the webz would, in fact be a very dull world indeed.He'll probably quote this post now, with something witty, erudite and cultured like 'fk off and die you fking tt.' He's nice like that.
Twincam16 said:
Also, you're forgetting Rich1231's habit of treating me like some kind of special case for reasons I've never quite been able to fathom.
He'll probably quote this post now, with something witty, erudite and cultured like 'fk off and die you fking tt.' He's nice like that.
BUt in this case, he has a reasonable point. Your post has him convicted and is exploring his mindset whilst doing it and speculating as to his muderous intentions. Based on a sum total of no facts or evidence.He'll probably quote this post now, with something witty, erudite and cultured like 'fk off and die you fking tt.' He's nice like that.
You've got to admit that it's a bit too PH for comfort.
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