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B17NNS

13,893 posts

143 months

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ZR1cliff said:
Jesus wept!

Thought police alert.

I may not agree with your opinion but I'd defend your right to voice it.

What did he say anyway?

Edited by B17NNS on Monday 8th October 01:03

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

95 months

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ZR1cliff said:
Before facebook and twitter people told sick jokes, some people laughed at them others didn't.

Nobody went to court and the media didn't get themselves all excited over it.

If I made a comment on here or on facebook about want to see Bridger hung from a lamppost people will agree with me or ignore it.

I wonder what the response to a gag about the poor child would be or perhaps me saying something bad about her family on here or another social network?

Neither thing is in good taste but our new media liberal society casually turns a blind eye to the bad taste stuff that it agrees with. The way things are heading using Twitter, facebook or forums will be against the law because holding views that disagree with the majority already seems to be.

smegmore

3,091 posts

72 months

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Welshbeef said:
Bet he thought it would be sick innit in frot of the blood down the endz - somehow I don't think even the roughest of nasty crims would share his amusement at this terrible crime. I'd say he's going to feel mighty stupid and also going to feel a lot of pain from the assults he will suffer.
Just take another toke on that spliff baby, it'll all pan out rolleyes

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

95 months

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Welshbeef said:
Bet he thought it would be sick innit in frot of the blood down the endz - somehow I don't think even the roughest of nasty crims would share his amusement at this terrible crime. I'd say he's going to feel mighty stupid and also going to feel a lot of pain from the assults he will suffer.
So telling a joke in poor taste deserves an assault, but wishing pain or death on someone wholly unconnected to you who has done something that didn't touch your life is entirely appropriate?

Double standards?

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

105 months

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Chrisw666 said:
Welshbeef said:
Bet he thought it would be sick innit in frot of the blood down the endz - somehow I don't think even the roughest of nasty crims would share his amusement at this terrible crime. I'd say he's going to feel mighty stupid and also going to feel a lot of pain from the assults he will suffer.
So telling a joke in poor taste deserves an assault, but wishing pain or death on someone wholly unconnected to you who has done something that didn't touch your life is entirely appropriate?

Double standards?
I don't read that as Welshbeef calling for him to be assaulted, more pointing out that he should avoid dropping the soap in the shower when we ends up in prison.
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Serendipity72

191 posts

35 months

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R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.
Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...

Welshbeef

21,592 posts

94 months

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odyssey2200 said:
Chrisw666 said:
Welshbeef said:
Bet he thought it would be sick innit in frot of the blood down the endz - somehow I don't think even the roughest of nasty crims would share his amusement at this terrible crime. I'd say he's going to feel mighty stupid and also going to feel a lot of pain from the assults he will suffer.
So telling a joke in poor taste deserves an assault, but wishing pain or death on someone wholly unconnected to you who has done something that didn't touch your life is entirely appropriate?

Double standards?
I don't read that as Welshbeef calling for him to be assaulted, more pointing out that he should avoid dropping the soap in the shower when we ends up in prison.
Exactly.
No question he will receive a jail term for his stupidity

There are plenty of issues jokes can be made about , sadly this is totally out of order and I'm struggling to see any aspect which could be funny and I'm fond of un pc type jokes.

mondeoman

7,982 posts

162 months

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A joke is always going to be funny to someone. Just because you thinks its "out of order", doesn't mean it is, whatever the topic.

z4chris99

7,976 posts

75 months

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he's done nothing wrong in my eyes. sad state of affairs when you get arrested for your own opinion

XCP

12,338 posts

124 months

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Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.
Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
2 cases in 37 years hardly amounts to 'all the time'.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

154 months

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Guam said:
Said this before so going to say it again, there is not and never has been constitutionally protected freedom of speech in this country EXCEPT at speakers corner.
There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.

Its time that was changed and codified imho!
Also, re. people talking about there 'always being sick jokes' etc - well yes, that's true, but the people who told them generally told them to people they knew would find them funny. On Twitter you're telling them to the entire world regardless. Any newspaper with a similar reach and circulation wouldn't dare print that sort of thing or put it on their website so I can't see it being in Twitter's interest to allow that sort of thing.

And again, that's not 'curtailing free speech', it's encouraging discretion. No-one's stopping people saying things, but perhaps they shouldn't be saying them quite so publically.

Same goes for the press in the aftermath of Leveson. The Press Compaints Commission's differentiation between 'public interest' and 'the interest of the public' needs codifying asap. It'd have the side-effect of strengthening good journalism too - corrupt companies trying to threaten newspapers with injunctions wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court, while the gutter-press types who go to any length to get a photo of someone for the sake of it would find themselves out of a job.

London424

7,056 posts

71 months

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XCP said:
Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.
Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
2 cases in 37 years hardly amounts to 'all the time'.
I think you'd run out of space if you started listing them all out.

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

95 months

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BBC reporting Bridger crying in court as the charges were read out, so perhaps not your average sociopath.

Eric Mc

82,156 posts

161 months

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London424 said:
XCP said:
Serendipity72 said:
R60EST said:
No completely innocent person could end up 'in the frame ' like he has . It's fair to assume he's guilty.
The British police stitch people up all the time.
Remember the Birmingham 6. Or how about Hillsborough?
And in Wales we have the horrendous Lynette White stitch up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lynette_Whi...
2 cases in 37 years hardly amounts to 'all the time'.
I think you'd run out of space if you started listing them all out.
Absolutely - there have been hundreds.

Oakey

18,320 posts

112 months

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XCP said:
2 cases in 37 years hardly amounts to 'all the time'.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Untouchables-justice-racism-Scotland-Bloomsbury/dp/144820903X/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1349689138&sr=8-11

Amazon said:
Republished after seven years, it was the first book to question the cosy relationship between the Yard and sections of the media, to explain why cops are incapable of investigating themselves and to expose the lack of independence in the new police watchdog.

From the 1983 Brinks Matt robbery, through the murders of Daniel Morgan, David Norris, Stephen Lawrence, Jill Dando and Damilola Taylor to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, Untouchables reveals the cover ups, double standards and miscarriages of justice during the Yard's phoney war on corruption.

Sunday Times journalist Michael Gillard and TV producer Laurie Flynn expose how the discredited use of supergrasses in the war on corruption has re-emerged in the new wars on terror and crime, with the same disastrous effects: prosecution misconduct, collapsed trials, huge bills for the taxpayer, victims left without justice and the guilty walking free.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

154 months

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Chrisw666 said:
BBC reporting Bridger crying in court as the charges were read out, so perhaps not your average sociopath.
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her. The truth will out, no doubt, and I think his motivations may well have been despicable, but I'm still not convinced he actually meant to take her life. I'm not for one minute condoning what he did, but I don't think we should be calling for him to be hanged and flogged until we know the whole story.

Amateurish

4,357 posts

118 months

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Guam said:
Said this before so going to say it again, there is not and never has been constitutionally protected freedom of speech in this country EXCEPT at speakers corner.
There has only been accepted lattitude to say some stuff and not other stuff depending on the period of history.

Its time that was changed and codified imho!
It depends what you mean by freedom of speech. There is not, and never will be, an absolute right to say whatever you want to anyone. There are always some limits placed on free speech.

In this country the presumption is that you can say anything, unless what you say is unlawful in some way. Which is, in effect, freedom of speech.

Speaker's Corner does not have special status in this respect.

AB

13,980 posts

91 months

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Twincam16 said:
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her.
Wouldn't be murder then, would it?


Twincam16

27,646 posts

154 months

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AB said:
Twincam16 said:
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her.
Wouldn't be murder then, would it?
A lot of murder charges get reduced to manslaughter if there are mitigating circumstances. As I said, I think we should wait until justice has run its course before deciding what he has or hasn't done.

rich1231

17,038 posts

156 months

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Twincam16 said:
I'm still not 100% sure he meant to kill her. The truth will out, no doubt, and I think his motivations may well have been despicable, but I'm still not convinced he actually meant to take her life. I'm not for one minute condoning what he did, but I don't think we should be calling for him to be hanged and flogged until we know the whole story.
Why post this nonsense speculation? This and so many other posts on this topic just go beyond what any rational person should think or post. You have an idea and you feel compelled to make a statement as if its somehow factual... "I'm still not sure he meant to kill her" and other remarks phrased as if they are absolutes.
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