Floating voter - UKIP why not?
Discussion
I'm certainly a man of the right and vote accordingly but I've been somewhat underwhelmed with the record of Dave's government so far, with the rather selfish exception of the NPPF which certainly helped me secure planning permission for a house recently. I like Farage, and much of what he says I find appealing. Most Brits are naturally sceptical about rules emerging from the Continent and as much as I love a driving holiday around Brittany or a stay in a Tucan Casa as much as the next man, I share that feeling. Britain is not physically part of Europe and the Channel creates a gap between us that runs deeper and wider than its 21 miles. If you recall when Dave kiboshed the EU treaty and stood up for Britain, his poll ratings soared as people saw him as having a set of balls. We need more of this, but sadly that change isn't going to come about from UKIP, as they are generally marginalised as swivel-eyed one-issue lunatics within the wider political debate, no matter how unfair that portrayal might be.
It's painfully obvious to me that 13 years of left-wingery has politicised the country to an alarming degree, with place men entrenched into positions in which politics has no place. The Police's overdone response to the Andrew Mitchell affair said much about how they feel about the government and their willingness to humiliate those who they see as foes. Andrew Mitchell is a prize prick without question and he deserved a slap but I'm squarely of the opinion that The Police were happy to let matter rumble on in order to score more political points. The broadcast media also has a culture of institutional Leftism that only really abated once it became clear that Gordon Brown was an utter lunatic and that the narrative of the ongoing disaster of his government made better telly than leaving it alone. Blair got an almost comically easy ride, as the famous 'the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles - I will always remember that' quote by BBC's Jane Garvey after Labour's 1997 victory will attest.
So for me, anything that stands up to the cancerous forces of Leftism is a good thing and if that's Dave's underwhelming Tories then so be it. UKIP cost the Tories the last election and will certainly allow PM Millit
t to walk into Downing St in 2015. I'm hoping that Boris tries his hand before then, as he's the only Tory politician that stands a chance of keeping Britain blue.
It's painfully obvious to me that 13 years of left-wingery has politicised the country to an alarming degree, with place men entrenched into positions in which politics has no place. The Police's overdone response to the Andrew Mitchell affair said much about how they feel about the government and their willingness to humiliate those who they see as foes. Andrew Mitchell is a prize prick without question and he deserved a slap but I'm squarely of the opinion that The Police were happy to let matter rumble on in order to score more political points. The broadcast media also has a culture of institutional Leftism that only really abated once it became clear that Gordon Brown was an utter lunatic and that the narrative of the ongoing disaster of his government made better telly than leaving it alone. Blair got an almost comically easy ride, as the famous 'the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles - I will always remember that' quote by BBC's Jane Garvey after Labour's 1997 victory will attest.
So for me, anything that stands up to the cancerous forces of Leftism is a good thing and if that's Dave's underwhelming Tories then so be it. UKIP cost the Tories the last election and will certainly allow PM Millit
t to walk into Downing St in 2015. I'm hoping that Boris tries his hand before then, as he's the only Tory politician that stands a chance of keeping Britain blue. ewenm said:
Keep the climate-st in the climate-st threads please! Then those of us who are tired of the arguments can avoid them.
Why? UKIP are the only party who wouldn't waste £20Bn a year for the next 30 years on a stupid theory that has absolutely no empirical data.t in the climate-st threads please! Then those of us who are tired of the arguments can avoid them.That is far more than the military and police cuts combined.
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don4l said:
ewenm said:
Keep the climate-st in the climate-st threads please! Then those of us who are tired of the arguments can avoid them.
Why? UKIP are the only party who wouldn't waste £20Bn a year for the next 30 years on a stupid theory that has absolutely no empirical data.t in the climate-st threads please! Then those of us who are tired of the arguments can avoid them.That is far more than the military and police cuts combined.
Don
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Apache said:
Breadvan72 said:
I do not envisage it happening. If it does, it will be a result of a policy choice by Cameron if he wins in 2015. UKIP is a marginal factor, I think. It is not helped by being associated with "characters" such as Mr Farage.
I disagree with practically everything you say but especially that, watching him rip Rumpy Pumpy a new one and all the other Eurodossers is worth a vote alone. If you were to make a valid point about Farage it would be that UKIP would be bugger all without him...he is UKIPDigga said:
I've happily watched a few of Farage's EU parliament rants and have yet to find much to fault him on. He is hitting a very obvious nail firmly on the head and the lack of any challenge to him and the sheepish looks on the gray-trainers he attacks, for me, say a good deal about how accurate his aim is.
A bit like George Galloway vs the US Supreme Court. Or whoever it was he tore to shreds so magnificently.A good orator does not necessarily a great politician, policy maker or potential leader make.
VoziKaoFangio said:
A bit like George Galloway vs the US Supreme Court. Or whoever it was he tore to shreds so magnificently.
A good orator does not necessarily a great politician, policy maker or potential leader make.
Very trueA good orator does not necessarily a great politician, policy maker or potential leader make.
But i have a choice
Vote yellow/red/blue labour and have zero representation of my views
Vote UKIP and have zero representation of my views but have a good laugh as farage tears the suits up for arse paper
VoziKaoFangio said:
Breadvan72 said:
Congressional Committee, not Supreme Court. Demagogues are often superficially appealing.
Yes, thanks for the correction. Couldn't quite remember who it was on the receiving end but I thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle. What a performance.- they are implicitly involved in the scam
- they are too frightened to challenge the status quo
Breadvan72 said:
A spoiled vote is the same, to me, as a no vote. I need at least to buy into five years of bhing rights by voting for one of the mainstream bunch of twits.
To me, my spoiled vote was marginally better than putting a cross against any of the candidates as it sent more of a message than anything else I could have done.hing rights by voting for one of the mainstream bunch of twits. No vote would have been to vote for any of the options available, as Hague was always going to win. Plus this way I can b
h about all of them 
eharding said:
The Black Flash said:
eharding said:
thinfourth2 said:
Well if you want to belive in man made up global warming and go out of your way to insult anyone who might even say anything silight negative about our current immigrant policy might i suggest you ps off to the greenpeace forum
Hang on, not 10 minutes ago you where whining on about personal insults, and now you're inviting folk to "ps off to the greenpeace forums off"?Nice.
"UKIP...fanatics...xenophobia...a party of the far right...Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much...loons and charlatans..."
"UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos."
" One function of UKIP may, perhaps, be to draw some of the real nasties out of the Tory Party,"
"I am sorry to be harsh, but, given your apparent grip on evidence based scientific consensus, maybe try a vote for the Flying Unicorn Party? "
Breadvan72 said:
I have said several things that aren't insulting, and offered some argument and evidence in support of my views. You righties get very shouty when your sacred cows are mocked.
...and there we go.please to point out where I have been "shouty". Or indeed, "righty" for that matter, since I don't seem to have recalled expressing any political views at all so far.
Dishonest argument by misrepresentation. Very poor form, and achieves nothing.
The Black Flash said:
eharding said:
The Black Flash said:
eharding said:
thinfourth2 said:
Well if you want to belive in man made up global warming and go out of your way to insult anyone who might even say anything silight negative about our current immigrant policy might i suggest you ps off to the greenpeace forum
Hang on, not 10 minutes ago you where whining on about personal insults, and now you're inviting folk to "ps off to the greenpeace forums off"?Nice.
"UKIP...fanatics...xenophobia...a party of the far right...Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much...loons and charlatans..."
"UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos."
" One function of UKIP may, perhaps, be to draw some of the real nasties out of the Tory Party,"
"I am sorry to be harsh, but, given your apparent grip on evidence based scientific consensus, maybe try a vote for the Flying Unicorn Party? "
Sorry if that offends those 'kippers of a more precious and delicate persuasion, but then they really should take a long hard look at some of the unpleasantness they share a party with before taking umbrage when someone spells out the uncomfortable facts about the sort of mindset UKIP attracts.
As for the Flying Unicorn Party, thinforth is on record that his party affiliations are as much for personal amusement as anything else, so he might have as much fun voting FUP as he does voting UKIP.
Sigh, some of you people have very thin skins. I won't reiterate arguments already made, or apologise for mocking the mockable. I think that Monckton can fairly be described as a charlatan. He has misrepresented himself as a member of the House of Lords, and as a peer reviewed scientific publisher. UKIP gets into bed with extreme rightists. I don't mind people hurling epithets such as lefty at me.
eharding said:
As far as his characterisation of UKIP is concerned, he's pretty much spot on.
If his argument is compelling, he wouldn't need to use emotionally-laden phrases and words to get it across. However, he doesn't actually put forward an argument, just a series of smears and snipes.The recent "demagogues are superficially attractive" is a fine example. At once smearing the leader of the party with a word which will immediately bring forward images of Nuremburg-style rallies; while at the same time implying that the person expressing praise for him hasn't, or isn't capable of, giving it proper thought. Indirect insults all round, top marks. I'm only amazed he's managed to avoid saying "swivel-eyed" yet.
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