Floating voter - UKIP why not?

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Guybrush

4,328 posts

205 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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fbrs said:
Pesty said:
martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.
me too but there is some truth to it. slightly deranged of me i know but i ran the numbers for every consituency, had 50% of ukip voters voted tory (uniform swing), they would have had enough seats for a dup coalition, 93% would have given them outright majority. infact twice as many people voted for ukip as snp who got 6 seats and 6 times more than sdlp, pc, dup and sf combined who got 19 seats! the system is most definately broken. somehow the lib/lab/con coalition of incompetence have convinced people that ukip are a bunch of swivel eyed racists with too much hair to be in the bnp, yet time after time put a lib/lab/con idiot in a studio with the ukip rep and they are left frothing at the mouth whilst arrogantly denouncing the views of at least a million voters. voting ukip IS a waste of time, they arn't going to win a seat, but you know i think i might do anyway because wiping my arse with the ballot paper is probably an offense.
The evidence is in front of our eyes, vote UKIP = get coalition. UKIP make a hell of a lot of sense, but many of their views go against the brainwashing attempts by the left and others of influence, particularly with regards to the biggest con of all - CO2 and climate change. That for sure won't get aired on the main news channels.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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UKIP, like many other fringe parties, have a manifesto and policies written by people who know they have zero chance of ever being held accountable to deliver on it. Even if you agree with it all on paper, funding for all these policies is solely based on us leaving the EU with no financial consequences or repercussions.

You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.

Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.

Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf

Digga

40,158 posts

282 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Surely it is possible that this time around, with their views on the EU being more acceptable and possible more closely aligned to the Cons that they would form an agreement with the Cons?

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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It doesn't really matter if some of their policy ideas are a bit off the wall, they're not going to form a government anyway. Labour are. It's just whether you waste your vote giving it to a lame duck Conservative party with no real policies or ideas anyway, or to UKIP whose ideology and direction is quite clear and distinctly conservative. I will vote UKIP for the message it sends to the Tories, who at the constituency level would love to do a deal with UKIP, but at the leadership level will not because for all their posturing and flag waving they are totally committed to being in the EU at any cost.

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

216 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Another UKIP voter here!

I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.

I'm no expert but I've had a quick read of their energy policy and think it makes sense.

http://ukip.org/media/policies/energy.pdf

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

197 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Serendipity72 said:
The problem with single issue parties is that away from the main event they have some really nutty stuff. For instance Farage is a smoker so it is official UKIP policy to bring back smoking in pubs. Even though he doesn't say how the bar staff who would be poisoned by this should be compensated.
I've got to hand it to NuLabour, they did their job well.
It's a thing called "freedom of choice", people died for it, I guess they were "nutty" too.

offendi

244 posts

146 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

203 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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offendi said:
Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks
Okay who should i vote for?

red labour or blue labour

Digga

40,158 posts

282 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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The Black Flash said:
Serendipity72 said:
The problem with single issue parties is that away from the main event they have some really nutty stuff. For instance Farage is a smoker so it is official UKIP policy to bring back smoking in pubs. Even though he doesn't say how the bar staff who would be poisoned by this should be compensated.
I've got to hand it to NuLabour, they did their job well.
It's a thing called "freedom of choice", people alot of whom smoked fag and pipes died for it, I guess they were "nutty" too.
Enhanced that for you.

I agree it's nutty how well newspeak works though.

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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offendi said:
Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks
Why are you embarassed by it? Quite interesting attitude this, and I have my own ideas about why you might feel that way, but would be interested to hear your reasoning (if any?) first?

pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

178 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
Who cares. One pro-EU shower is much the same as another.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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offendi said:
Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks
thanks for that little gem If I was also a MONG how should I vote???

Edited by powerstroke on Friday 5th October 11:29

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

203 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
And you base this on what?

As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism

They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.


But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate

AJS-

15,366 posts

235 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
You're about 10 years out of date on your baseless smear campaigns.

VoziKaoFangio

8,202 posts

150 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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skeggysteve said:
Another UKIP voter here!

I get annoyed by people that say they're not going to vote for them because it would be a wasted vote - if all the people that say that did voted for them it wouldn't be a wasted vote.
You are absolutely wasting your vote in a General Election, until we have a form of PR.

You are absolutely not wasting your vote in EU Parliamentary elections as we have a form of PR in that, and UKIP (and other minority parties) win the representation their vote deserves. Funny how PR is good enough for European elections, but not UK Parliamentary ones. It will always remain so due to the vested interest in the status quo which the Tory and Labour parties have. Turkeys, Christmas.

Minority parties can not become influential parties in the UK under FPTP. In a recent referendum, I'm afraid to say that the majority vote was in favour of the status quo, if I remember correctly, so if we lament the current situation in this regard, we have only ourselves to blame. We had the chance to initiate electoral reform, and blew it. Meanwhile, the Tories continue to block electoral/constitutional reform.

Well done, everyone. Not.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
And you base this on what?

As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism

They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.


But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
I don't often do it, but I agree with what Thinforth2 says completely

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
And you base this on what?

As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism

They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.


But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
I think its all down to the down trodden masses being scared of change they wont try anything differnt,they go to the same place on holiday or wont vote diferently to how mum and dad did They are called Sheeple the dull mr and mrs averages with a small hatchback that live a boring life..

ewenm

28,506 posts

244 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Vote for whoever you feel best fits your own views. A few cycles of coalitions might make people actually think abut what they want and might make politicians realise that everyone fighting for the middle ground is ridiculous and leads to lack of ideology and lack of vision.