Floating voter - UKIP why not?
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
The problem is that the present Coalition is in effect a Tory Government and it acts on ideological grounds in many respects. The Lib Dems appear to have committed electoral suicide in order to taste power for a few years.
What ideology? I see no strong ideology presented by any of the middle 3 parties at the moment. They are all saying essentially the same thing (that middle ground) - look at Balls's recent statement about the cuts Labour would make. The lack of differentiation is what is turning people off politics and resulting in voter apathy.Breadvan72 said:
UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.
Sadly, I find your view of trying to kill off anything you don't like by trying to brand it racist and taint anyone supporting them as being the same, far worse.I'm with UKIP.
Although my constituency is true blue, I'd love to wipe the smug smile off their face come the next GE - just by reducing the normal majority.
Long term it's just a wish - if Clegg can retain an ounce of integrity after the student fees pledge (without getting a kicking 24/7 from the media) then the people of the UK wholly deserve what they vote for.
AFAIK political parties are losing members left right and centre - perhaps the electorate will start to explore alternatives to 'the usual'.
Although my constituency is true blue, I'd love to wipe the smug smile off their face come the next GE - just by reducing the normal majority.
Long term it's just a wish - if Clegg can retain an ounce of integrity after the student fees pledge (without getting a kicking 24/7 from the media) then the people of the UK wholly deserve what they vote for.
AFAIK political parties are losing members left right and centre - perhaps the electorate will start to explore alternatives to 'the usual'.
Breadvan72 said:
I am basing my argument on the stances adopted by UKIP. It is, I suggest, xenophobic, rather than racist. The BNP is worse, as it is both xenophobic and racist.
Why don't you back it up by telling everyone what you think is acceptable to say on immigration, what can and can't be said, and what should be done, if anything, to have a sensible immigration policy ? Your only argument seems to be that by them having it as one of their more prominent policies, everyone who may agree with parts of it is xenophobic.Whether you try and taint the issue and voters by calling it xenophobic or racist, doesn't make much difference.
UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...
Apache said:
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
idiotBefore he was escorted off the premises for being a thorough-going Nazi goon, he was also a keen 'kiptard cheerleader.
Came as something as a shock to some of his less extreme 'kipper chums, as I recall.
pablo said:
UKIP, like many other fringe parties, have a manifesto and policies written by people who know they have zero chance of ever being held accountable to deliver on it. Even if you agree with it all on paper, funding for all these policies is solely based on us leaving the EU with no financial consequences or repercussions.
You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.
Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.
Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf
Well, this killed it for me....You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.
Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.
Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf
• End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels.
I could never argue with this ban and nor can my smoking friends. Makes for a much better night out.
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...
Okay you have made me realise i am a racist xenophobehttp://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...
Who should i vote for
red labour, yellow labour or blue labour?
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.
You have no concept of the far right if you think the UKIP party is part of it.Pesty said:
martin84 said:
B) Vote UKIP = get Labour.
I really really really fking hate this argument.Who cares blue/red get in its all the same.
Until people start voting for something different we will just continue as we are for ever and ever.
Our politics is broken, until we show them by doing somethign different we just perpetuate it and s like Blair and cameron get in for ever and ever.
UKIP might be a bit off the wall and probably would do some damage but at least they might do something.
Of course, they will never get into power but maybe we'd be better off with them having a handful of seats, whoever is in government.
Breadvan72 said:
Do you think the Conservative party is anti-semitic?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservat...
I add that I do not support uncontrolled immigration, and I don't think that it is wrong to discuss immigration policy. Unlike many here, I sometimes do something about unlawful migrancy by getting courts to chuck people out. I think that UKIP plays to a xenophobic voter pool by making immigration control one of its central policies.
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