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Breadvan72

20,210 posts

51 months

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UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.

Mr_B

6,402 posts

131 months

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thinfourth2 said:
And you base this on what?

As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism

They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.


But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
I don't often do it, but I agree with what Thinforth2 says completely

powerstroke

2,901 posts

48 months

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thinfourth2 said:
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
And you base this on what?

As hearing what they have to say on immigration is driven you anything but racism

They merely state why can we only limit those coming into the UK from outside the EU. They merely want to be able to choose who comes into the country no matter where they come from.


But carry on with the insults it merely shows you are losing the debate
I think its all down to the down trodden masses being scared of change they wont try anything differnt,they go to the same place on holiday or wont vote diferently to how mum and dad did They are called Sheeple the dull mr and mrs averages with a small hatchback that live a boring life..

ewenm

27,006 posts

133 months

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Vote for whoever you feel best fits your own views. A few cycles of coalitions might make people actually think abut what they want and might make politicians realise that everyone fighting for the middle ground is ridiculous and leads to lack of ideology and lack of vision.

Breadvan72

20,210 posts

51 months

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The problem is that the present Coalition is in effect a Tory Government and it acts on ideological grounds in many respects. The Lib Dems appear to have committed electoral suicide in order to taste power for a few years.
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Apache

38,979 posts

172 months

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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
idiot

Apache

38,979 posts

172 months

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offendi said:
Would anyone voting for the UK Imbecile Party please emigrate - you are an embarrassment to the rest of the British people.
Thanks
squared

ewenm

27,006 posts

133 months

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Breadvan72 said:
The problem is that the present Coalition is in effect a Tory Government and it acts on ideological grounds in many respects. The Lib Dems appear to have committed electoral suicide in order to taste power for a few years.
What ideology? I see no strong ideology presented by any of the middle 3 parties at the moment. They are all saying essentially the same thing (that middle ground) - look at Balls's recent statement about the cuts Labour would make. The lack of differentiation is what is turning people off politics and resulting in voter apathy.

Mr_B

6,402 posts

131 months

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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.
Sadly, I find your view of trying to kill off anything you don't like by trying to brand it racist and taint anyone supporting them as being the same, far worse.

Breadvan72

20,210 posts

51 months

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I am basing my argument on the stances adopted by UKIP. It is, I suggest, xenophobic, rather than racist. The BNP is worse, as it is both xenophobic and racist.

AJS-

11,982 posts

124 months

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Breadvan72 said:
I am basing my argument on the stances adopted by UKIP. It is, I suggest, xenophobic, rather than racist. The BNP is worse, as it is both xenophobic and racist.
How are they xenophobic?

The Don of Croy

2,404 posts

47 months

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I'm with UKIP.

Although my constituency is true blue, I'd love to wipe the smug smile off their face come the next GE - just by reducing the normal majority.

Long term it's just a wish - if Clegg can retain an ounce of integrity after the student fees pledge (without getting a kicking 24/7 from the media) then the people of the UK wholly deserve what they vote for.

AFAIK political parties are losing members left right and centre - perhaps the electorate will start to explore alternatives to 'the usual'.

The Black Flash

5,991 posts

86 months

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Breadvan72 said:
I am basing my argument on the stances adopted by UKIP. It is, I suggest, xenophobic, rather than racist. The BNP is worse, as it is both xenophobic and racist.
Yeah that Farage bloke hates foreigners, that's why he married one.

Mr_B

6,402 posts

131 months

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Breadvan72 said:
I am basing my argument on the stances adopted by UKIP. It is, I suggest, xenophobic, rather than racist. The BNP is worse, as it is both xenophobic and racist.
Why don't you back it up by telling everyone what you think is acceptable to say on immigration, what can and can't be said, and what should be done, if anything, to have a sensible immigration policy ? Your only argument seems to be that by them having it as one of their more prominent policies, everyone who may agree with parts of it is xenophobic.
Whether you try and taint the issue and voters by calling it xenophobic or racist, doesn't make much difference.

Breadvan72

20,210 posts

51 months

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UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...



eharding

7,230 posts

172 months

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Apache said:
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP = BNP for people who don't like tattoos.
idiot
Go and dig out the "Carmonk self-immolation thread" - quite enlightening.

Before he was escorted off the premises for being a thorough-going Nazi goon, he was also a keen 'kiptard cheerleader.

Came as something as a shock to some of his less extreme 'kipper chums, as I recall.





beanbag

6,752 posts

129 months

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pablo said:
UKIP, like many other fringe parties, have a manifesto and policies written by people who know they have zero chance of ever being held accountable to deliver on it. Even if you agree with it all on paper, funding for all these policies is solely based on us leaving the EU with no financial consequences or repercussions.

You cant walk out of a Contract and not expect to have to pay compensation of some form and I doubt leaving the EU would be any different.

Furhter more, I personally think leaving the EU is fundamentally flawed.

Anyway, here's what they "stand for":
http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/wwsf.pdf
Well, this killed it for me....

• End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels.

I could never argue with this ban and nor can my smoking friends. Makes for a much better night out.

thinfourth2

30,861 posts

92 months

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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP propagates a lot of misinformation about the EU, and plays on xenophobic feelings amongst voters. This analysis of its voter profile is quite interesting:-


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/06/25/euros...
Okay you have made me realise i am a racist xenophobe

Who should i vote for

red labour, yellow labour or blue labour?


Breadvan72

20,210 posts

51 months

Fittster

16,248 posts

101 months

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Breadvan72 said:
UKIP are single issue fanatics, with strong elements of xenophobia in their platform. They are a party of the far right. Marginally more respectable than the BNP, perhaps, but not much. Support from such loons and charlatans as Lord Monckton hardly lends the party credibility.
You have no concept of the far right if you think the UKIP party is part of it.
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