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Nine in Ten Scots households take more than they give

Nine in Ten Scots households take more than they give

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hornetrider

Original Poster:

56,839 posts

107 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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In terms of taxes and benefits. Christ alive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/sc...




Eric Mc

84,710 posts

167 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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A rather sweeping statement I would suggest and not quite what the article is saying.

StottyZr

6,004 posts

65 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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My brother minor'd in economics at Uni. After his first semester he was delighted to tell me one piece of information he had picked up.

The biggest economic woe on Great Britain was Scotland. I never knew if there was any truth to it, I guess there is.

hornetrider

Original Poster:

56,839 posts

107 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
A rather sweeping statement I would suggest and not quite what the article is saying.
said:
official figures showing that only 283,080 households north of the border – 12 per cent of the total – pay more in tax than they receive in public services.


Is that not what I said?

Eric Mc

84,710 posts

167 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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No it's not.

You are making the a massive sweeping assumption that those who work in the public sector "give" nothing for their wages.

Tell that to the police, fireman, doctors, nurses, etc etc etc.
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thinfourth2

32,414 posts

106 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Mmmm

I'd like to see the figures for northern england

hornetrider

Original Poster:

56,839 posts

107 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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No I haven't.

BoRED S2upid

12,446 posts

142 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Im sure the figure would be a lot different if you take out al the Civil Servants.

Who pays for her wage anyhow? if shes a Minister then isn't it the tax payer?

neil_w

75 posts

100 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Sounds bad but what are the figures for other parts of Britain?

Further down the article says:
"According to the most recent figures, Scotland contributed 9.6 per cent of Britain’s tax take and accounted for 9.3 per cent of public spending."

So Scotland contributes more in tax than it receives in spending (proportionally).

Eric Mc

84,710 posts

167 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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So, what is the definition of "taking" more than "giving".

If the entire population of Scotland was on the dole - or living off benefits - then you would have a point. But that isn't the case.

This lady seems to be playing straight into Salmond's hands. The Conservatives have more or less given up on Scotland and seem to be in a hurry to let it become independent.

y2blade

55,891 posts

117 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Mmmm

I'd like to see the figures for northern england
+1

It'll be worse than our lot that's for sure.

The Don of Croy

3,347 posts

61 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Albeit a good 10 years ago, I read that the economies of Scotland, Wales and NI were all 75% minimum state derived, and 80% in Tyne & Wear!!

Could be wrong.

I'm always encouraged when I hear a faithful union spokesperson say that state employees pay taxes too, so the more we have employed the better off the state will be...

crazy about cars

4,129 posts

71 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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neil_w said:
Sounds bad but what are the figures for other parts of Britain?

Further down the article says:
"According to the most recent figures, Scotland contributed 9.6 per cent of Britain’s tax take and accounted for 9.3 per cent of public spending."

So Scotland contributes more in tax than it receives in spending.
Exactly! Poorly written article ...

Hugo a Gogo

19,835 posts

135 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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53% throughout the UK

I might suggest somewhere like London has all the big payers (perhaps even some from Scotland), and the remote wilds of the highlands have far less big earners


3point14159key

11,327 posts

94 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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i think it includes those who are employed in the public sector but receive no benefits...

Eric Mc

84,710 posts

167 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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It does - which therefore the OP looks on as "takers" rather than "givers".

hornetrider

Original Poster:

56,839 posts

107 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Are you shooting the messenger Eric? I'm merely reporting the article.

Tartan Pixie

735 posts

49 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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article said:
Scotland contributed 9.6 per cent of Britain’s tax take and accounted for 9.3 per cent of public spending.
Spending less than they're taxing eh? Sounds like Britain would be better off if it was run from Holyrood. wobble

deadslow

4,410 posts

125 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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9/10 people who live outside London are probably net takers. Could you lot please attacking another part of the uk for a bit with these petty and ill-informed statistical stories? Dull in extremis. biggrin

Phil1

531 posts

184 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Where does it say public sector workers are included in the "takers" figures? I can only see references to people consuming more cost in services than they pay in tax. Would love to see the real figures...