Nine in Ten Scots households take more than they give

[OlberJ]

Excellent, you heard the figure where?

It's amazing what people will believe and regurgitate as a basis for discussion.

I heard Jimmy Saville was due to run for Prime Minister in a few years. Must be true.

[sd477667]

So what number are employed by the state / unwaged then N of the Border, have you an exact percentage, as I'd imagine it is quite high, like most Labour strongholds S of the Border - they know what side their bread is buttered on alright..........

[thinfourth2]

I belive the worst area for state employment is the north of england

[sd477667]

Places like Newcastle and Liverpool would collapse without all the made up Public Sector non jobs

[mrmr96]

sd477667 said:

I heard a figure a bit back that 50% of Scotland is paid by the state be it wages or benefits, hope they enjoy their 90% taxation if they win their independence.

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

[RDM]

mrmr96 said:

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

Where?..Liverpool and Newcastle?

[anonymous-user]

mrmr96 said:

sd477667 said:

I heard a figure a bit back that 50% of Scotland is paid by the state be it wages or benefits, hope they enjoy their 90% taxation if they win their independence.

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

That's what "they" are going to be decide, it certainly be for you or anyone else to let them either. Fingers crossed they don't though because the r UK will be worse off despite all the nonsense figures above.

[OdramaSwimLaden]

mrmr96 said:

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

The scary thing is the ignorance of the genaral public; this is not aimed at Scotland, but in general.

The public will believe what the media / politicians bombard them with and will in most cases, if not always, vote in the way they are guided.

In the case of Scotland there are a lot of people who will be able to benefit from a cut off from London and so internally there is a big push for devolution.

I fear in reality it will be much like the Euro disaster if it goes ahead. Many people on the gravy train taking millions on a power trip that will ultimately end in disaster.

SCOTLAND DOES NOT HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT'S SPENDING NEEDS.

[mrmr96]

OdramaSwimLaden said:

mrmr96 said:

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

The scary thing is the ignorance of the genaral public; this is not aimed at Scotland, but in general.

The public will believe what the media / politicians bombard them with and will in most cases, if not always, vote in the way they are guided.

In the case of Scotland there are a lot of people who will be able to benefit from a cut off from London and so internally there is a big push for devolution.

I fear in reality it will be much like the Euro disaster if it goes ahead. Many people on the gravy train taking millions on a power trip that will ultimately end in disaster.

SCOTLAND DOES NOT HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT'S SPENDING NEEDS.

In other words, I will be better off as an English tax payer - because I'll no longer be subsidising Scotland. The Scots will get shafted by their Parliment, as you say. Their leaders want independence but I don't think it will be good for the Scottish people. However the Scottish people may well be duped into voting for it, by those more powerful and who have a vested interest.

[anonymous-user]

el stovey said:

mrmr96 said:

sd477667 said:

I heard a figure a bit back that 50% of Scotland is paid by the state be it wages or benefits, hope they enjoy their 90% taxation if they win their independence.

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

That's what "they" are going to be decide, it certainly be for you or anyone else to let them either. Fingers crossed they don't though because the r UK will be worse off despite all the nonsense figures above.

I agree with you. Independence will result in Scotland becoming even more of a burden on the UK than it is now.

[anonymous-user]

mrmr96 said:

In other words, I will be better off as an English tax payer - because I'll no longer be subsidising Scotland.

You must be paying a lot of tax.

[tom2019]

REALIST123 said:

I agree with you. Independence will result in Scotland becoming even more of a burden on the UK than it is now.

how will it be?

[OdramaSwimLaden]

mrmr96 said:

OdramaSwimLaden said:

mrmr96 said:

Yup, they want to be cut loose? Let them.

The scary thing is the ignorance of the genaral public; this is not aimed at Scotland, but in general.

The public will believe what the media / politicians bombard them with and will in most cases, if not always, vote in the way they are guided.

In the case of Scotland there are a lot of people who will be able to benefit from a cut off from London and so internally there is a big push for devolution.

I fear in reality it will be much like the Euro disaster if it goes ahead. Many people on the gravy train taking millions on a power trip that will ultimately end in disaster.

SCOTLAND DOES NOT HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT'S SPENDING NEEDS.

In other words, I will be better off as an English tax payer - because I'll no longer be subsidising Scotland. The Scots will get shafted by their Parliment, as you say. Their leaders want independence but I don't think it will be good for the Scottish people. However the Scottish people may well be duped into voting for it, by those more powerful and who have a vested interest.

Looking at history it is quite a likely scenario; yes.

[thinfourth2]

OdramaSwimLaden said:

SCOTLAND DOES NOT HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT'S SPENDING NEEDS.

Yeah and england is just doing fking brilliant isn't it

[mrmr96]

el stovey said:

mrmr96 said:

In other words, I will be better off as an English tax payer - because I'll no longer be subsidising Scotland.

You must be paying a lot of tax.

Yes I do.

[anonymous-user]

mrmr96 said:

el stovey said:

mrmr96 said:

In other words, I will be better off as an English tax payer - because I'll no longer be subsidising Scotland.

You must be paying a lot of tax.

Yes I do.

Well anyway, you won't be better off you'll be worse off. You won't be paying less tax, you'll be paying even more tax except now you won't be able to blame the Scottish on your increasing contributions being wasted.

[OlberJ]

I'm amazed how stories and info regarding Scotland staying in the UK are "facts" and anything else is the Scottish Government leading us into doom through lies and deception.

What's to say you're not currently and have always been fed lies that will benefit Westminster?

Without a proper independent report on the facts and figures, you're believing what you're told to believe by those who want you to believe it.

If we're such a burden, we'd have been "cut loose" long ago.

Until we know for sure, quit the xenoiphobic rants and "sly" digs at anything that challenges what you believe to be true off the back of what you've been fed.

[IroningMan]

OlberJ said:

I'm amazed how stories and info regarding Scotland staying in the UK are "facts" and anything else is the Scottish Government leading us into doom through lies and deception.

What's to say you're not currently and have always been fed lies that will benefit Westminster?

Without a proper independent report on the facts and figures, you're believing what you're told to believe by those who want you to believe it.

If we're such a burden, we'd have been "cut loose" long ago.

Until we know for sure, quit the xenoiphobic rants and "sly" digs at anything that challenges what you believe to be true off the back of what you've been fed.

What on earth makes you thing that an objective, independent report is going to be made available? We won't 'know' because neither cause will agree the terms of reference for any such report.

The only way to find out whether Scotland floats is to let it go.

I imagine we're in for two years of increasingly vitriolic argument by assertion, with no sign of any concrete answers to the questions around currency, pensions, EU membership etc as all of these will be up for grabs as part of the negotiation post mandate. In the event of a 'yes' from Scotland, we'll then be in for years of protracted negotiation on the terms of the divorce - probably with a spicy sideline in EU intervention - all of which will result in the taxpayers of both countries bending over once again.

[OlberJ]

Which is exactly as the UK works now. Nobody gets fed the truth, it's all slanted to show those in power as right. And that "right" changes every time we get a new goverment voted in.

It's the nonsense posted above as "fact" that tends to grate.

[mrmr96]

el stovey said:

Well anyway, you won't be better off you'll be worse off. You won't be paying less tax, you'll be paying even more tax except now you won't be able to blame the Scottish on your increasing contributions being wasted.

Why would I pay more tax as a result of cutting off Scotland, a net drain on the public purse?
I recognise that I may not pay less tax, and that Whitehall will just spend it on something else - but at least the "something else" is likely to South of the border.