Frankie Boyle - Don't give it if you can't take it?

[hairykrishna]

Ayahuasca said:

Boyle can state that the Saudi Paralympic team are mainly thieves, and he thinks that is OK but he believes a newspaper cannot say that he is racist. There is your hypocricy.

One of these things is a joke, from a stand up comedian. The other is reported as fact in a newspaper. The two situations are not analogous.

[Ayahuasca]

hairykrishna said:

Ayahuasca said:

Boyle can state that the Saudi Paralympic team are mainly thieves, and he thinks that is OK but he believes a newspaper cannot say that he is racist. There is your hypocricy.

One of these things is a joke, from a stand up comedian. The other is reported as fact in a newspaper. The two situations are not analogous.

Oh, so it was a 'joke'? I see, that obviously makes it OK. Maybe the newspaper will say theirs was a 'joke' too. That would be OK too then.

[pacman1]

Don't like him, never have. He is near the knuckle, but very selective with it. I'll defend his right to free speech tho.

But when will he get the balls to stick it to the ethnic god fearers? Never, 'cos he knows what wins and what doesn't.

He preys on the weak or those who would find it difficult to defend themselves on his playing field for laughs.

Feck him I say, until he puts his nuts on the block, funny or no. As for the Mirror, 'ave it!!

[hairykrishna]

Ayahuasca said:

hairykrishna said:

Ayahuasca said:

Boyle can state that the Saudi Paralympic team are mainly thieves, and he thinks that is OK but he believes a newspaper cannot say that he is racist. There is your hypocricy.

One of these things is a joke, from a stand up comedian. The other is reported as fact in a newspaper. The two situations are not analogous.

Oh, so it was a 'joke'? I see, that obviously makes it OK. Maybe the newspaper will say theirs was a 'joke' too. That would be OK too then.

Boyle on Twitter "Apparently the Saudi Arabian Paralympic team is mainly thieves.". Making a, tasteless and poorly judged, joke about people getting their hands cut off.

A national newspaper opening a factual article with "Racist comedian Frankie Boyle".

Do you genuinely not see the difference? Or is it just that you don't like Boyle?

[WeirdNeville]

I on't paricularly care for Frankie Boyles 'comedy' but I think that it's very important that he wins this case.

We already live in a time when htings are taken at face value and often at their most serious: "I'm going to blow up Robin Hood Airport" for example (that's a quote and NOT a statement of my intened actions!)

Do we really want a society where you can't make jokes about anything to do with culture, race, sex, for fear of being labled an 'ist' and never working again? Or swearing in a pub being an offence of Sec T public Order act offence every time?

There is an important an demostrable difference between making jokes about race and being a racist. Using racially provokative language in the context of a joke or satire is an important way of challenging popular opinion.

So, I hope he wins to stop papers simply branding those they dislike racist and destroying ther careers.

[hairykrishna]

pacman1 said:

But when will he get the balls to stick it to the ethnic god fearers? Never, 'cos he knows what wins and what doesn't.

"If I want a space on the train to myself, I just start praying to Allah really loudly." From when he was on Mock the Week if I remember correctly. He's taken the piss out of more or less everyone at one time or another.

[pacman1]

hairykrishna said:

pacman1 said:

But when will he get the balls to stick it to the ethnic god fearers? Never, 'cos he knows what wins and what doesn't.

"If I want a space on the train to myself, I just start praying to Allah really loudly." From when he was on Mock the Week if I remember correctly. He's taken the piss out of more or less everyone at one time or another.

Good to hear.

[Halb]

Ayahuasca said:

Boyle can state that the Saudi Paralympic team are mainly thieves, and he thinks that is OK but he believes a newspaper cannot say that he is racist. There is your hypocricy.

How is that racist?

[AJS-]

WeirdNeville said:

I on't paricularly care for Frankie Boyles 'comedy' but I think that it's very important that he wins this case.

We already live in a time when htings are taken at face value and often at their most serious: "I'm going to blow up Robin Hood Airport" for example (that's a quote and NOT a statement of my intened actions!)

Do we really want a society where you can't make jokes about anything to do with culture, race, sex, for fear of being labled an 'ist' and never working again? Or swearing in a pub being an offence of Sec T public Order act offence every time?

There is an important an demostrable difference between making jokes about race and being a racist. Using racially provokative language in the context of a joke or satire is an important way of challenging popular opinion.

So, I hope he wins to stop papers simply branding those they dislike racist and destroying ther careers.

I'd take that a step further and ask if we really want a society where being labelled an "ist" is the death of an otherwise successful career, and a legitimate reason for a law suit? If you're in the business of making edgy, controversial jokes then you can't really pick and choose how people describe your brand of humor.

[qube_TA]

I used to find him funny on MTW however I was given his Autobiography a few years ago and he came across as a particularly loathsome man without a single redeeming feature, struggled to tolerate him on the screen since.

However, in this instance I agree with his POV and hope he succeeds.

[Astacus]

CommanderJameson said:

I quite enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire, and you'd have to be some kind of nutter to not recognise that Trainspotting was a brilliant film. In fact, if we quickly gloss over Sunshine, I don't think he's made a genuinely bad film.

[Ayahuasca]

Halb said:

Ayahuasca said:

Boyle can state that the Saudi Paralympic team are mainly thieves, and he thinks that is OK but he believes a newspaper cannot say that he is racist. There is your hypocricy.

How is that racist?

It's not racist.

He calls the Saudi team 'thieves'

The paper calls him 'racist'

Both theft and racism are illegal.

[RoadRailer]

Astacus said:

CommanderJameson said:

I quite enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire, and you'd have to be some kind of nutter to not recognise that Trainspotting was a brilliant film. In fact, if we quickly gloss over Sunshine, I don't think he's made a genuinely bad film.

[Halb]

Ayahuasca said:

It's not racist.
He calls the Saudi team 'thieves'
The paper calls him 'racist'
Both theft and racism are illegal.

I misunderstood you then.
His joke is based on an observation which carried through to it's logical conclusion is sound though, which is why it's humorous. Where the paper is simply wrong. So I don't draw that same parallel between the two myself.

[Gareth79]

Won!
http://news.sky.com/story/1001029/frankie-boyle-wi...

[ViperPict]

Good on Frankie!

I can't believe the number of people on here who 'don't get him'!

You need people like him to push boundaries and satirise society.

What a boring place it would be if everyone conformed to the middle ground of society!

I have a funny feeling a lot of folk on here probably find Cannon and Ball the height of humour (who I once had the displeasure of seeing in Blackpool many years ago).

[WeirdNeville]

ViperPict said:

Good on Frankie!

I can't believe the number of people on here who 'don't get him'!

You need people like him to push boundaries and satirise society.

What a boring place it would be if everyone conformed to the middle ground of society!

I have a funny feeling a lot of folk on here probably find Cannon and Ball the height of humour (who I once had the displeasure of seeing in Blackpool many years ago).

I dunno, I can see why people find him too much. I find him tolerable and occasionally funny on Mock the Week, for example, when he's filtered. I suspect I would find a live performance or DVD very unfunny. He's too often crass or goes for outrage and shock rather than true satire IMO, but that's just my preference.

But then I find the likes of Jim Jefferies and Dave Chappelle and numerous other 'outrageous' comics very funny. No real reason why.

[CommanderJameson]

WeirdNeville said:

I dunno, I can see why people find him too much. I find him tolerable and occasionally funny on Mock the Week, for example, when he's filtered. I suspect I would find a live performance or DVD very unfunny. He's too often crass or goes for outrage and shock rather than true satire IMO, but that's just my preference.

I found his TV series, which was 30 minutes of him on a stage, too much. The thing with Boyle's comedy, is that it really only works in small, brutally offensive (and thus hilarious) doses. 10 minutes in and I was thinking, "Oh, look. He's being rude about gays. Or the queen. Or disabled people. Or fat people. Or something."

You become desensitised, and thus bored.

[chimster]

CommanderJameson said:

I found his TV series, which was 30 minutes of him on a stage, too much. The thing with Boyle's comedy, is that it really only works in small, brutally offensive (and thus hilarious) doses. 10 minutes in and I was thinking, "Oh, look. He's being rude about gays. Or the queen. Or disabled people. Or fat people. Or something."

You become desensitised, and thus bored.

This. Small doses for me. Hilarious. ;-)

[rsv gone!]

CommanderJameson said:

I found his TV series, which was 30 minutes of him on a stage, too much. The thing with Boyle's comedy, is that it really only works in small, brutally offensive (and thus hilarious) doses. 10 minutes in and I was thinking, "Oh, look. He's being rude about gays. Or the queen. Or disabled people. Or fat people. Or something."

You become desensitised, and thus bored.

I do like his dark humour but this is exactly how I find him. He's a one-trick pony.