40% of board member posts should be reserved for women

40% of board member posts should be reserved for women

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AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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If men are pushing and bullying their way to the top at the expense of quietly capable women, what do you think is going to happen in the board room when suddenly these meek little dolls are thrown in on a quota system at the expense of other pushy bullies who might stand up to the remaining male board members?

julian64

14,317 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Some truly sexist people on this forum, on both sides.

If you can't even understand that men and women are equal, god help you in a situation where they aren't the same colour, culture, or belief structure as you.

Biggest problem with equality in this country is people who believe they are unbiased.

As for Mr square peg in round hole, I suggest you simply give up.

Serendipity72

191 posts

140 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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What silly stereotypes.
So women are either spending all their time making babies or they are ball busters.
I know very capable women in very senior positions who do not fit your silly descriptions.


Serendipity72

191 posts

140 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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anonymous said:
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But this isn't about one armed black lesbians. It is about half the population.
And women being better at some things means it would be sensible to have those skills on a board.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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julian64 said:
Some truly sexist people on this forum, on both sides.

If you can't even understand that men and women are equal, god help you in a situation where they aren't the same colour, culture, or belief structure as you.

Biggest problem with equality in this country is people who believe they are unbiased.

As for Mr square peg in round hole, I suggest you simply give up.
Worthless post full of hyperbole.

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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I don't think anyone is really saying that women aren't capable of having successful careers and reaching the top on merit, as indeed many do. But you can hardly ignore the fact that women are far more likely to take a significant chunk of a key stage in their career to have babies. It's a biological fact. It is also pretty well self evident that women are more likely to work part time, or at least fewer hours to look after their children.

At this very same time their male peers are taking all the extra hours they can to make up for their depleted household income and increased outgoings.

If the woman in this analogy returns to work say aged 40, having been out of the labour force for 8 years, then who do you think is most likely to be in line for a move up to senior management?

I know some women take their laptops into the delivery room, and are back at work the next day and so forth, but in my experience that is a tiny percentage, compared to the millions who better fit the above example, which happens to be pretty much my wife and I.


Fartomatic5000

558 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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I'd like to start a campaign to to raise the percentage of women coal miners to 50%.



julian64

14,317 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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markcoznottz said:
julian64 said:
Some truly sexist people on this forum, on both sides.

If you can't even understand that men and women are equal, god help you in a situation where they aren't the same colour, culture, or belief structure as you.

Biggest problem with equality in this country is people who believe they are unbiased.

As for Mr square peg in round hole, I suggest you simply give up.
Worthless post full of hyperbole.
Gutted.

Alternatively, you could gather up all of that male intelligence you have and try and put the word 'hyperbole' in a sentence where it actually makes any grammatical sense.

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Count yourself lucky she's earning!

Actually aside from the financial squeeze though, I think it's a perfectly healthy and natural state of affairs, and I don't know why certain people seem so intent on changing it. Unless they have some sort of an interest in having people in high places who owe some of their success to their meddling, perhaps?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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& how many Black, Muslims?

Women are doing just fine without any artificial quotas - so many in really powerful positions all over the world.

Merit based. I

Mark Benson

7,523 posts

270 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Regardless of the merits or otherwise of such an idea, once the government (national or worse, European) start to employ their own brand of incompetent social engineering, things will inevitably get worse for all concerned (except in the result of a specially commissioned study a few years down the line where the scheme will be hailed as a complete success).

julian64

14,317 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Mark Benson said:
Regardless of the merits or otherwise of such an idea, once the government (national or worse, European) start to employ their own brand of incompetent social engineering, things will inevitably get worse for all concerned (except in the result of a specially commissioned study a few years down the line where the scheme will be hailed as a complete success).
The government do this because its a quick fix to a more complicated problem.

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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julian64 said:
Mark Benson said:
Regardless of the merits or otherwise of such an idea, once the government (national or worse, European) start to employ their own brand of incompetent social engineering, things will inevitably get worse for all concerned (except in the result of a specially commissioned study a few years down the line where the scheme will be hailed as a complete success).
The government do this because its a quick fix to a more complicated problem.
"Fix" in the "it's all a fix, guv" sense rather than "make it better" sense of the word.

wiggy001

6,545 posts

272 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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How on earth could such a quote ever be legal when sexual discrimination in the workplace is not?

Ridiculous suggestion for all the reasons already mentioned.

Mark Benson

7,523 posts

270 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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julian64 said:
Mark Benson said:
Regardless of the merits or otherwise of such an idea, once the government (national or worse, European) start to employ their own brand of incompetent social engineering, things will inevitably get worse for all concerned (except in the result of a specially commissioned study a few years down the line where the scheme will be hailed as a complete success).
The government do this because its a quick fix to a more complicated problem.
I don't think it's even that simple. I think they genuinely believe they're performing a valid service to women and the business community. The problem being they're politicians and aren't, and in most cases never have been a productive part of that community and are often driven by political dogma and therefore haven't really understood the many and varied reasons why women are less well represented in the boardroom than they might be.

It's then inevitable that they come to the wrong conclusions as to a) what the problem is, b) what should be done about it, and c) what the unintended consequences may be.

oyster

12,608 posts

249 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Purely anecdotal - I notice most HR managers are women and most HR directors are men. Is this because men make better directors of HR than women, or is it because men are better at networking with other directors?

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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julian64 said:
Gutted.

Alternatively, you could gather up all of that male intelligence you have and try and put the word 'hyperbole' in a sentence where it actually makes any grammatical sense.
No the biggest problem is with equality in its own right. It seeks to dumb down, there is certainly nothing 'equal' about it unless you are a communist. Why no quotas for male primary school teachers?. Funny that. Your personal attack is typical of your ideological standpoint, please do elaborate, how are men and women equal in any real sense?.

BOR

4,705 posts

256 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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The boardroom is a clubhouse, and they like to recruit from within the club. If your face doesn't fit, then you ain't comming in.

The Don of Croy

6,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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I've no problem with 40% of all board posts being awarded to a women...my lady wife.

Piersman2

6,599 posts

200 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Serendipity72 said:
Women have structural and socially embedded impediments to getting onto company boards.
Yep, although I think they're more usually called 'breasts'.