Teach 10 year olds about pornography

[GuitarTech]

Just let them surf around on Redtube, everything they need to know is there....

[DJRC]

richardxjr said:

mattnunn said:

richardxjr said:

My 10yo lad did just the same. We found out about it pretty quick and he won't be doing that again in a hurry.

Yes he will, just not from your computer!

He has no desire to after what he saw.

That's the problem with net porn, it's all or nothing.

Perhaps some good 'ole erotic/soft porn stuff could be hidden somewhere for him to find in a year or two?

That isnt as silly as it initially sounds. Some/a lot of the stuff you can find on the internet now porn wise is outright wackjob nuts/scary and waaaaaaay beyond the standardish concepts of erotic. The "porn" we encountered as youths in mags barely counts these days its so tame. It was basically just sexily posed ladies, simulated sex or tits out. It wasnt too far removed from reality. If I was 10/11 again now and discovered what I could find quite easily on the net these days, Id need a hell of a lot of persuading and counselling before I considered it erotic!

[anonymous-user]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20042508

What do you mean, "porn isn't real"?!?

[chippy17]

mattnunn said:

So the argument against is one of

"The problem with this country is that our children are too well informed of the world around them"...

hmmm....

Surely knowledge is power, I doubt these lessons include sitting down and watching two girls one cup (don't do it) but education can't be a bad thing, can it?

well if you want your children to have detailed info about sex aged 10 then fine but I certainly don't, in this case knowledge is corruption and the loss of childhood

[RichardD]

Breadvan72 said:

...What do you mean, "porn isn't real"?!?

Remembering back there was an episode of friends where Joey and Chandler had to re-adjust back to reality after a particularly long porn watching session. I believe Joey was very very disappointed at only getting pizza from the delivery girl!

[Jasandjules]

Sorry but why?

[anonymous-user]

The Internet has killed the Porn Fairy. When did any of us last find a stack of copies of Razzle in the local park?

[samuelellis]

DJRC said:

richardxjr said:

mattnunn said:

richardxjr said:

My 10yo lad did just the same. We found out about it pretty quick and he won't be doing that again in a hurry.

Yes he will, just not from your computer!

He has no desire to after what he saw.

That's the problem with net porn, it's all or nothing.

Perhaps some good 'ole erotic/soft porn stuff could be hidden somewhere for him to find in a year or two?

That isnt as silly as it initially sounds. Some/a lot of the stuff you can find on the internet now porn wise is outright wackjob nuts/scary and waaaaaaay beyond the standardish concepts of erotic. The "porn" we encountered as youths in mags barely counts these days its so tame. It was basically just sexily posed ladies, simulated sex or tits out. It wasnt too far removed from reality. If I was 10/11 again now and discovered what I could find quite easily on the net these days, Id need a hell of a lot of persuading and counselling before I considered it erotic!

I am 29 so i was 16ish when I got a dial up modem and freeserve account, this means i was one of the first lot of teenagers to have access to the net at home.

Looking at the net back then as a teenager the most you could get was photos from picture sites due to download speed and not a huge amount of it was hardcore. It was more hardcore than what you found in a pornmag in the bushes (what happened to those) but not much more

Now modern net connections are so fast you can watch streaming HD porn and as other posters have said some of it is very shocking. Im not saying it should be banned or anything like that, if consenting adults want to film it, upload it and let other people watch its not my concern.


What i think should actually happen is that parents should be given lessons on how to block a lot of this stuff on computers/mobile devices that way its up to the individual how much they want there kid to see etc

[HOGEPH]

Breadvan72 said:

The Internet has killed the Porn Fairy. When did any of us last find a stack of copies of Razzle in the local park?

I always wondered what unwritten law compelled blokes in the 70's and 80's to generously donate their stash via a bush for the greater good.

[nickbee]

chippy17 said:

well if you want your children to have detailed info about sex aged 10 then fine but I certainly don't, in this case knowledge is corruption and the loss of childhood

You hope that your child remains unaware of sex until after they're 10?? I saw my first sex education video at primary school so I'd have been 10 at most and I was born in 1979 so that's nothing new. Back then kids needed information on sex before they hit puberty and found themselves at the mercy of natural instinct. That event might have happened at 11, it might have happened at 15, so 10 was the right age.

However, these days children have access to the internet. Pornography accounts for 90% of the internet. At some point (long before they're 10) they WILL see it so you have two choices. You can do the responsible thing and address the issue earlier so that when they are inevitably exposed to it they know what it is and why it's inappropriate but also what's normal and what isn't. Or you can bury your head in the sand and accept that your child's understanding of 'normal' will be dictated not by you but by whatever video their friend's older brother has on his mobile. This might not be the choice you'd like but it's the only choice you have and no amount of bleating about innocence and childhood will change it.

[TaRD]

I didn't think this was about teaching kids about and how to find porn ( it's not exactly hard to find), but more teaching them that what and who they see isn't real life. If they were taught that pictures in magazines aren't real either how many people would think twice?

[Mr Snap]

nickbee said:

chippy17 said:

well if you want your children to have detailed info about sex aged 10 then fine but I certainly don't, in this case knowledge is corruption and the loss of childhood

You hope that your child remains unaware of sex until after they're 10?? I saw my first sex education video at primary school so I'd have been 10 at most and I was born in 1979 so that's nothing new. Back then kids needed information on sex before they hit puberty and found themselves at the mercy of natural instinct. That event might have happened at 11, it might have happened at 15, so 10 was the right age.

However, these days children have access to the internet. Pornography accounts for 90% of the internet. At some point (long before they're 10) they WILL see it so you have two choices. You can do the responsible thing and address the issue earlier so that when they are inevitably exposed to it they know what it is and why it's inappropriate but also what's normal and what isn't. Or you can bury your head in the sand and accept that your child's understanding of 'normal' will be dictated not by you but by whatever video their friend's older brother has on his mobile. This might not be the choice you'd like but it's the only choice you have and no amount of bleating about innocence and childhood will change it.

This.

Chippy, you really need to talk to your children's school about their sex education policy. It isn't about premature sexualisation, it's about giving them appropriate information at the time they need it.

[dcb]

Mr Snap said:

It isn't about premature sexualisation, it's about giving them appropriate information at the time they need it.

With the UK having some of the highest teenage pregnancy and
sexually transmitted disease rates in Europe, it's clear that
current policy isn't working.

Continuing on as we are isn't really an option.

We would benefit from looking at how our European neighbours
solve this child education issue and cherry pick the best bits
to help get our kids better educated about the life choices
that can be made.

[Lost_BMW]

Mr Snap said:

nickbee said:

chippy17 said:

well if you want your children to have detailed info about sex aged 10 then fine but I certainly don't, in this case knowledge is corruption and the loss of childhood

You hope that your child remains unaware of sex until after they're 10?? I saw my first sex education video at primary school so I'd have been 10 at most and I was born in 1979 so that's nothing new. Back then kids needed information on sex before they hit puberty and found themselves at the mercy of natural instinct. That event might have happened at 11, it might have happened at 15, so 10 was the right age.

However, these days children have access to the internet. Pornography accounts for 90% of the internet. At some point (long before they're 10) they WILL see it so you have two choices. You can do the responsible thing and address the issue earlier so that when they are inevitably exposed to it they know what it is and why it's inappropriate but also what's normal and what isn't. Or you can bury your head in the sand and accept that your child's understanding of 'normal' will be dictated not by you but by whatever video their friend's older brother has on his mobile. This might not be the choice you'd like but it's the only choice you have and no amount of bleating about innocence and childhood will change it.

This.

Chippy, you really need to talk to your children's school about their sex education policy. It isn't about premature sexualisation, it's about giving them appropriate information at the time they need it.

Like pornography at 10?

[Tumbler]

Lost_BMW said:

Mr Snap said:

nickbee said:

chippy17 said:

well if you want your children to have detailed info about sex aged 10 then fine but I certainly don't, in this case knowledge is corruption and the loss of childhood

You hope that your child remains unaware of sex until after they're 10?? I saw my first sex education video at primary school so I'd have been 10 at most and I was born in 1979 so that's nothing new. Back then kids needed information on sex before they hit puberty and found themselves at the mercy of natural instinct. That event might have happened at 11, it might have happened at 15, so 10 was the right age.

However, these days children have access to the internet. Pornography accounts for 90% of the internet. At some point (long before they're 10) they WILL see it so you have two choices. You can do the responsible thing and address the issue earlier so that when they are inevitably exposed to it they know what it is and why it's inappropriate but also what's normal and what isn't. Or you can bury your head in the sand and accept that your child's understanding of 'normal' will be dictated not by you but by whatever video their friend's older brother has on his mobile. This might not be the choice you'd like but it's the only choice you have and no amount of bleating about innocence and childhood will change it.

This.

Chippy, you really need to talk to your children's school about their sex education policy. It isn't about premature sexualisation, it's about giving them appropriate information at the time they need it.

Like pornography at 10?

Chippy, you don't say if your child is male of female, is she is female, then there is a good chance her menstrual cycle will start any time, this will also mean she will be entering puberty, her hormones will be raginging, she will be confused, and you would wish her to go through this with no knowledge?

[Tumbler]

dcb said:

With the UK having some of the highest teenage pregnancy and
sexually transmitted disease rates in Europe, it's clear that
current policy isn't working.

Continuing on as we are isn't really an option.

We would benefit from looking at how our European neighbours
solve this child education issue and cherry pick the best bits
to help get our kids better educated about the life choices
that can be made.

I firmly believe the answers lie in our parenting, not in our education.

[eggchaser1987]

freecar said:

DJRC said:

gtdc said:

And armpit hair. And mooncups.

it could put a generation of 10 year olds off porn. Doesn't seem sporting to me.

I want to ask wtf is a mooncup, but Im scared of the answer!

Do not google it, it will scar you!

I wish I had taken your good advice there!

[tubbystu]

nickbee said:

but by whatever video their friend's older brother has on his mobile.

This is a very valid point. Always, magazines at school migrated down from senior years, often via brothers. Particularly the stronger Swedish variety Now with the level of technology all kids have access to, any kind of control is going to be difficult.

At what age do kids change from "junior" to "secondary" now ? Middle to big school in kids parlance, perhaps ? We certainly had our school sex education whilst at the village junior school, and I left there when I was nearly 12, in the mid 70's.

[muffinmenace]

Lost_BMW said:

Like pornography at 10?

Sex education is not porn is it? Educating children to a healthy sex life will show sexual scenes and acts, even between the same sex. Seeing as our current curriculum has failed to curb the issue so badly then why haven't other more successful European countries adopted them?

[Lost_BMW]

muffinmenace said:

Sex education is not porn is it? Educating children to a healthy sex life will show sexual scenes and acts, even between the same sex. Seeing as our current curriculum has failed to curb the issue so badly then why haven't other more successful European countries adopted them?

The radio report was specifically about teaching children about pornography (OK, go on, I confess to a tiny bit of trolling, not giving them porn!) at 10.

Edited by Lost_BMW on Wednesday 24th October 21:51