Teacher training tests
Discussion
maix27 said:
I think half the problem is that teaching is so underpaid and under appreciated that people with the skills and experience to do other stuff, do.
Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you consider underpaid? Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you think is a reasonable salary for a fresh teacher? An experienced teacher?
Most requirements for PGCE want maths and English GCSE's. An entrance exam seems plausible as a few years out and they might have been forgotten
There are probably very few that actually want to be a teacher. Leading to the age old adage 'those who can, can. Those who can't, teach'
The best aren't going to want to work for those wages and hours. Holidays are plentiful but in term time most teachers I know work about 12 hour days. It's all very well wanting the best to teach, but the best might not want to...
Guess they'll just have to monitor teacher recruitment. And anyway, we don't really know how hard the test will be anyway.
There are probably very few that actually want to be a teacher. Leading to the age old adage 'those who can, can. Those who can't, teach'
The best aren't going to want to work for those wages and hours. Holidays are plentiful but in term time most teachers I know work about 12 hour days. It's all very well wanting the best to teach, but the best might not want to...
Guess they'll just have to monitor teacher recruitment. And anyway, we don't really know how hard the test will be anyway.
Justayellowbadge said:
Bless.
Shouldn't someone tell her?
The kids who have still come in this week for a variety of reasons, but mostly that they have sShouldn't someone tell her?
t home lives, wouldn't have anyone to supervise them and guide their activities (which have included things like additional maths lessons, although that might have been designed to put them off 
).London424 said:
maix27 said:
I think half the problem is that teaching is so underpaid and under appreciated that people with the skills and experience to do other stuff, do.
Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you consider underpaid? Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you think is a reasonable salary for a fresh teacher? An experienced teacher?
What would you think?
The problem is though, is that a little bit of revision from a GCSE textbook for both subjects will allow poor teachers still to pass through the net. It isn't going to be something they couldn't ever do...!
I personally think we need a mix of teachers. You need them from all backgrounds - because they need to be interesting people. If you don't find your teacher interesting, you will not find the subject interesting. How many of us when we reflect on our school life, remember the interesting teachers - rather than the subjects themselves.
Because of this, I think instead of introducing a new little test for them, I strongly believe kids who leave school, go to Uni then go directly into teaching should not be allowed to do so. There should be a minimum gap between leaving school and going back to teach at it.
The young teachers actually have a massive advantage. The school syllabus will be vaguely familiar to them, if not identical in parts and they have a much easier time when it comes to Ofsted inspections and in my experience are perfect in ticking all the boxes. But do we really just need to teach our children, how to pass the exams? Or should we actually be inspiring them...of tales and stories of "the real world"...
Just my opinion - the "tougher tests" won't do a thing.
I personally think we need a mix of teachers. You need them from all backgrounds - because they need to be interesting people. If you don't find your teacher interesting, you will not find the subject interesting. How many of us when we reflect on our school life, remember the interesting teachers - rather than the subjects themselves.
Because of this, I think instead of introducing a new little test for them, I strongly believe kids who leave school, go to Uni then go directly into teaching should not be allowed to do so. There should be a minimum gap between leaving school and going back to teach at it.
The young teachers actually have a massive advantage. The school syllabus will be vaguely familiar to them, if not identical in parts and they have a much easier time when it comes to Ofsted inspections and in my experience are perfect in ticking all the boxes. But do we really just need to teach our children, how to pass the exams? Or should we actually be inspiring them...of tales and stories of "the real world"...
Just my opinion - the "tougher tests" won't do a thing.
Marf said:
Justayellowbadge said:
maix27 said:
joema said:
'those who can, can. Those who can't, teach'
Isn't the quote, 'those who can, do.'?
SpeedMattersNot said:
There should be a minimum gap between leaving school and going back to teach at it.
I suppose the snag with that is, what happens if not enough want to come back? The profession could end up having to grab whoever it can get.SpeedMattersNot said:
The young teachers actually have a massive advantage. The school syllabus will be vaguely familiar to them, if not identical in parts and they have a much easier time when it comes to Ofsted inspections and in my experience are perfect in ticking all the boxes.
Certainly some older new entrants really struggle (and in some cases fail completely) with the admin and reporting side of the job so someone fresh out of uni who is used to that sort of routine is likely to handle it better.Edited by Deva Link on Friday 26th October 13:39
Deva Link said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
There should be a minimum gap between leaving school and going back to teach at it.
I suppose the snag with that is, what happens if not enough want to come back? The profession could end up having to grab whoever it can get.If the job paid better it would attract people from other walks of life, of which I think would bring more to the table in ways of educating our kids for the future, rather than just teaching them how to pass exams.
Just an idea, not suggesting it's definitely the best way to go.
maix27 said:
London424 said:
maix27 said:
I think half the problem is that teaching is so underpaid and under appreciated that people with the skills and experience to do other stuff, do.
Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you consider underpaid? Which is a shame as, and i'm only guessing, most people would like their kids to be taught by experts in their chosen fields.
It's a tough job and i wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that we should let any old person do it either.
The other point is that with some levels of primary school, you don't need to have a degree in maths to be a good teacher across the board.
It's a toughie, i think.
What do you think is a reasonable salary for a fresh teacher? An experienced teacher?
What would you think?
Big jumps in salary would come with additional responsibility e.g Head of Dept/Year/Form etc.
In your examples above you are suggesting approx 10% pay rises per year...completely unrealistic and unaffordable.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Deva Link said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
There should be a minimum gap between leaving school and going back to teach at it.
I suppose the snag with that is, what happens if not enough want to come back? The profession could end up having to grab whoever it can get.If the job paid better it would attract people from other walks of life, of which I think would bring more to the table in ways of educating our kids for the future, rather than just teaching them how to pass exams.
Just an idea, not suggesting it's definitely the best way to go.
- likelihood
I also think that teachers should get paid more to teach at poor schools. The schools in good area's get the cream of the crop, because teachers want to live in nice area's, they'll all apply and they can take on the best. The weak teachers will have to move to where they can get employed and will most likely be in a rough area.
Catch 22.
Catch 22.
OdramaSwimLaden said:
Listening of the radio this morning it will be a test done in a room with a pc and you have 12 seconds to answer each question. If you fail, you have to wait 2 years to re-take.
One sample question was - What is 17% of 175?
Not many could do that without a calculator in twelve seconds. One sample question was - What is 17% of 175?
motco said:
OdramaSwimLaden said:
Listening of the radio this morning it will be a test done in a room with a pc and you have 12 seconds to answer each question. If you fail, you have to wait 2 years to re-take.
One sample question was - What is 17% of 175?
Not many could do that without a calculator in twelve seconds. One sample question was - What is 17% of 175?
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