How far will house prices fall [volume 4]

How far will house prices fall [volume 4]

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vescaegg

25,556 posts

168 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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z4RRSchris99 said:
rents cant rise without wages rising,
house prioces should be reflective of both wages and rental yeilds.

something has to give:

wages increase, or prices fall.
Surely the market will decide where things will go? If people are affording the rents, they will do and places will be let. Landlords who are stubborn may just sit with empty houses but they will have to drop if they are overpriced to get tenants in.




jonah35

3,940 posts

158 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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z4RRSchris99 said:
rents cant rise without wages rising,
house prioces should be reflective of both wages and rental yeilds.

something has to give:

wages increase, or prices fall.
Rents can rise without wages rising!!

thats why people house share, why big houses are converted to flats, why both man and woman work, why people cut back in other areas.

Houses will get smaller, more people will share.

Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.

NomduJour

19,133 posts

260 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Increases in value have massively outstripped rental price increases over the last decade, London or elsewhere.

Magog

2,652 posts

190 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jonah35 said:
Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jonah35 said:
Rents can rise without wages rising!!

thats why people house share, why big houses are converted to flats, why both man and woman work, why people cut back in other areas.

Houses will get smaller, more people will share.

Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
In a lot of London, rents compared to market valuation are ridiculously low. Renting can let you live somewhere that you couldn't possibly fund a mortgage on.

z4RRSchris99

11,302 posts

180 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
In a lot of London, rents compared to market valuation are ridiculously low. Renting can let you live somewhere that you couldn't possibly fund a mortgage on.
exactly.... and there is a limit to what 'Mr normal' can afford renting. prob around £1000 per room per month


jonah35

3,940 posts

158 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Magog said:
jonah35 said:
Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death
Hmm, ok ill give you that but that was 600 years or so ago. And I think the rents referred to are mainly to do with farming land.

Over the past few hundred years I can't think of much that has pushed down rents.

jonah35

3,940 posts

158 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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z4RRSchris99 said:
Justayellowbadge said:
In a lot of London, rents compared to market valuation are ridiculously low. Renting can let you live somewhere that you couldn't possibly fund a mortgage on.
exactly.... and there is a limit to what 'Mr normal' can afford renting. prob around £1000 per room per month
In 'Mr normal' places eg 'normal' parts of Essex and london there is quite a bit to go until things get to that point, no?

Won't things just spread out so surrounding areas get dearer and companies move out as market forces dictate?

jdw1234

6,021 posts

216 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jonah35 said:
Magog said:
jonah35 said:
Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death
Hmm, ok ill give you that but that was 600 years or so ago. And I think the rents referred to are mainly to do with farming land.

Over the past few hundred years I can't think of much that has pushed down rents.
What about London declining/depopulating from about 1930 something all the way until 1986 (or whenever the Big Bang was)?


Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jdw1234 said:
jonah35 said:
Magog said:
jonah35 said:
Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death
Hmm, ok ill give you that but that was 600 years or so ago. And I think the rents referred to are mainly to do with farming land.

Over the past few hundred years I can't think of much that has pushed down rents.
What about London declining/depopulating from about 1930 something all the way until 1986 (or whenever the Big Bang was)?
Population peaked on eve on WW2 according to article in ES today

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-popul...


jonah35

3,940 posts

158 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jdw1234 said:
jonah35 said:
Magog said:
jonah35 said:
Rent always seems to go up. I bet there isn't a ten year period in history where rents haven't gone up, regardless of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death
Hmm, ok ill give you that but that was 600 years or so ago. And I think the rents referred to are mainly to do with farming land.

Over the past few hundred years I can't think of much that has pushed down rents.
What about London declining/depopulating from about 1930 something all the way until 1986 (or whenever the Big Bang was)?
Did rents go down?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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jonah35 said:
Did rents go down?
If you adjust for inflation, I believe so.

Mr Whippy

29,056 posts

242 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Rents could go up or down and stay there, or not.

But looking back over stable economic times isn't too useful even at the best of times.


The last 15 years have been excellent for buying and owning a home, if you hopped on at any time from 95 > 2005 or so.

Cheap ish properties, rapid rise in values meaning capital growth (if you buy as an investment that is great), and average very low interest rates. Win win.


If we've seen unprecedented positive conditions, imagine the opposite and consider how likely they may be.

Dave

z4RRSchris99

11,302 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Mr Whippy

29,056 posts

242 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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That is a classy video.

Almost as good as the Cayman vs 993 RS video hehe

jdw1234

6,021 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Heheh that is awful.

I predict London property crashes this year (especially all this new build dross).


Obviously not the St Edmunds development!




Edited by jdw1234 on Tuesday 6th January 13:03

z4RRSchris99

11,302 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th January 2015
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Mr Whippy said:
That is a classy video.

Almost as good as the Cayman vs 993 RS video hehe
the one blackfriars one in the story is pretty "wky" too. i like to think mines pretty classy but i wont put it out to debate.

okgo

38,072 posts

199 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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rofl


That first one is just the worst thing I've ever seen.

vonuber

17,868 posts

166 months

Friday 9th January 2015
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The Battersea development (and 9 Elms) is going to ruin the park and also the local transport system.
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