Bradley Wiggins in hospital after being knocked Off his bike

[Marcellus]

CommanderJameson said:

Whether it was your intention or not is not what I'm querying; I just pointed out that, irrespective of what you intended, what you did was blame Wiggins for the accident that emphatically was not caused by him. Ergo, "blame the victim". I think such a point of view is bollaux, so I said so.

With regard to blame, I've already made it explictly clear who I believe is as fault.

Personally I do think that there is so much ste caused by this "blame Culture" within which we live.

[scenario8]

If we re-branded Blame Culture as Responsibility Culture would it help?

What's the problem with whatever blame culture is anyway? Again, my enrage-ometer seems little troubled when I hear the groans and spot the rollyeyes about blame culture. It doesn't seem to ever really mean anything specific to me.

[Marcellus]

scenario8 said:

If we re-branded Blame Culture as Responsibility Culture would it help?

Personal opinion of having lived in a "personal resposibility" culture for several years then yes, but that's not the point of this topic.

[superkartracer]

Marcellus said:

i/We pull out on Bikes cus they are slow

Sums it up - people can't drive etc

Maybe then.. when i see ALL the slow cars doing 30mph i should pull out on them then?

What utter toss

[Negative Creep]

scenario8 said:

Marcellus said:

The point I was trying to get across was a comment about hysteria from various sections of the media/other groups that because it can happen to BW then what chance do the rest of cyclists stand!!

Is there really hysteria? I confess to not viewing the majority of newspapers so may have missed out on such hysteria but on the tv and radio this incident has been dealt with quite calmly and responsibly as one of road safety with the added frisson of celebrity to make the story a story, and is already yesterday's news anyway.

The Sun published pictures of the woman involved today

[MocMocaMoc]

RJJ said:

I totally agree. I don't know why, it's so easy to implement as well, as I mentioned integration into your driving test & vice versa when you buy a cycle.

I love cycling, and I love driving so can appreciate it from both angles, and am very courteous when in my car and negotiating cyclists, but that's because when I am in my Lycra pedalling away, I know how it feels to be intimidated by a car, knowing full well any serious collision and I am in A & E.

Majority of motorists who do not cycle, have no idea of how vulnerable you can feel, & here lies the problem, I think.

Put your average motorist on a cycle, drive past them at x mph closely, not allow safe distance, no safe overtake & motorists pulling out on them, I am pretty sure they would not get on a cycle again. It's just too dangerous, I can hear it now.

Maybe now after recent incidents, the UK cycling body will put pressure on, govt for things to change.

Thinking outside the box as well, I think our road planning of signs, junctions, cycle paths etc is a lot to be desired, compared to rest of Europe.

The roads are getting forever more & more crowded, and everybody wants their right of way.

Edited by RJJ on Friday 9th November 13:11

All of this!

In a car, when overtaking anything, there's three levels of 'should i?'

1, perfectly safe and plenty of space.
2, perfectly safe, but likely to scare the sh*t out of someone
3, racing driver style 'up the inside'

When dealing with anyone, but esp cyclists, please pick Option 1!!! : )

[Silver]

Negative Creep said:

The Sun published pictures of the woman involved today

See, why is that even necessary? What's the point of making the van driver a potential target in this way?

[scenario8]

The driver of the van has accepted the offer of a driver awareness course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-21...

This seems utterly sensible and perhaps will calm the fears of some who posted here that the woman would be hung, drawn and quartered and would be at risk of personal attack.

Yet another case of the UK managing its affairs entirely sensibly with no reason for "you couldn't make it up" type nonsense from the Blue tops?