another abuse gang

[heppers75]

Mermaid said:

Potential colour disharmony, due to some rotten eggs who were not stopped in time. Anger towards Pakistanis, Muslims, Brown people.......

Can I honestly ask you a question?

At what point does it actually become acceptable to say it; by it I mean how much has to happen to convince people that wish to not have a specific demographic targeted or called in to question for that demographic to actually be targeted and called into question?

Is there actually a threshold - if so what really is it?

[carinaman]

FiF said:

If this is how the Pakistani community operates is it any wonder the authorities struggle.

Note I am not excusing anything that went on in SYP and RMBC, but read this story from Skipton and weep.

The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim

Thanks for that link.

Mermaid said:

Potential colour disharmony, due to some rotten eggs who were not stopped in time. Anger towards Pakistanis, Muslims, Brown people.......

The link above mentions how the 'community' seems to be dealt with via male community 'elders'. It almost sounds like Jirgas that British troops would meet with in Afghanistan, but then how different are jirgas from the rogues gallery of councillors for Rotherham?

I'm sure another may have made the comparison here, but how does dealing with the 'community' via a select band of 'elders' compare to the way the election may have been rigged in Tower Hamlets and how have the 'authorities' dealt with that? The returning officer or election official on Radio 4's PM didn't sound that convincing and could have been a 'nothing to see here' routine as the Council and Police have been doing in Rotherham for years.

How different is the way PCC Wright and others in the Council and the police that have kept this abuse hidden for years different from the way the 'community' elders have kept it hidden for years?

They're the same it's just that their job titles and flesh tones are different?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 21:54

[THX]

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

[Mr Daytona]

Yes, because Cliff Richard (allegedly) touching a boy 30 years ago really is comparable to the industrial scale abuse perpetrated by Pakistani men against vulnerable young white children and the subsequent cover up by that Community and the Public Sector who were frightened of being called racist.

It's almost a mirror image.

[heppers75]

THX said:

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

So is your approach look over there not over here over there is pedos... Over here is just secondary... There might be more of them doing it and they might all be xxxxxxx but that is not imporant - look famous person over there distracty distracty...

Is that even slightly valid?

[THX]

Mr Daytona said:

Yes, because Cliff Richard (allegedly) touching a boy 30 years ago really is comparable to the industrial scale abuse perpetrated by Pakistani men against vulnerable young white children and the subsequent cover up by that Community and the Public Sector who were frightened of being called racist.

It's almost a mirror image.

It's (usually) pertinent to research the facts before adopting a condescending tone.

You haven't read the Cliff thread, have you?

[THX]

heppers75 said:

THX said:

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

So is your approach look over there not over here over there is pedos... Over here is just secondary... There might be more of them doing it and they might all be xxxxxxx but that is not imporant - look famous person over there distracty distracty...

Is that even slightly valid?

Talk to me when you can make sense.

[heppers75]

THX said:

heppers75 said:

THX said:

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

So is your approach look over there not over here over there is pedos... Over here is just secondary... There might be more of them doing it and they might all be xxxxxxx but that is not imporant - look famous person over there distracty distracty...

Is that even slightly valid?

Talk to me when you can make sense.

What did not make sense about that?

ETA if you are a bit more simple I can be more simple for you - just ask.

[THX]

heppers75 said:

THX said:

heppers75 said:

THX said:

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

So is your approach look over there not over here over there is pedos... Over here is just secondary... There might be more of them doing it and they might all be xxxxxxx but that is not imporant - look famous person over there distracty distracty...

Is that even slightly valid?

Talk to me when you can make sense.

What did not make sense about that?

ETA if you are a bit more simple I can be more simple for you - just ask.

I fear you're trying too hard already. Or maybe not enough?!

Either way, shut up.

[heppers75]

THX said:

heppers75 said:

THX said:

heppers75 said:

THX said:

Everyone's dancing around the fact that it was men of Pakistani origin carrying out the abuse, lets not forget (although 'we' all will) the details emerging in the (although maybe not directly connected to the man himself) Cliff Richard thread.

Crackers do st, too.

So is your approach look over there not over here over there is pedos... Over here is just secondary... There might be more of them doing it and they might all be xxxxxxx but that is not imporant - look famous person over there distracty distracty...

Is that even slightly valid?

Talk to me when you can make sense.

What did not make sense about that?

ETA if you are a bit more simple I can be more simple for you - just ask.

I fear you're trying too hard already. Or maybe not enough?!

Either way, shut up.

So you are not answering or responding to anything asked you are doing what many of your type on here do and just attack based on spurious moronic crap in the hope you can deflect from fact and statement?

Bit sad and pathetic really but I get why you do it, mostly it is the last bastion of the indefensible, it clearly is now and so very often is usually the same.

Press on poppet you can continue to be who you are, makes the rest of us raise a smirk at least.

[Mr Daytona]

Fair point THX - apologies.

[heppers75]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Bloody hell Tonker, the poor chap is only just on the thread facing some gentle facts.

Lets not drown him with the real ones, they take time to adjust to, being a bit premature on them it is a bit unfair no?

[carinaman]

Following the mention here of the Cliff thread I read of this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11062...

Shocking if true. Raiding offices of a Youth counselling service and taking records? Perhaps their search warrant referenced the DPA?

If they were doing stuff like that then remanding victim Melanie Shaw in GMP Peterborough on dodgy grounds until October looks possible.

[THX]

OK, so. For the sake of continued debate:

On the Cliff thread, there's talk of widespread, state sponsored child abuse (abuse - and stuff I cant even bring myself to mention).

On this thread, there's talk of widespread, state sponsored etc etc.

The difference being? The 'Cliff thread subject' everyone is truly dancing around - nobody (myself included) wants to step up and discuss the evidence presented. But here, well it's easy Bashing, isn't it?
The scale of the wrong doing discussed in the Cliff thread is truly terrifying. The scale discussed here is horrific, yet the main issues seems to be that they're from a 'certain' ethnic origin?!

My point being? We seem to get riled up when the target is easy - i.e. old school racism. Get the ''. But should the target be a Knighted big fat while lad, in a position of power (now deceased)? Lets tip toe around that one. Cos he could have mates who're still alive and working.

[carinaman]

THX, but this thread pre-dates the raid on Sir Cliff:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

You think there's some racism going on this thread?

But not all of people that allowed the abuse to continue are asian are they? They're white.

Don't some cultures or religions value females less? Don't some fathers only care if the newborn is male? Haven't we had sex selective abortions in this country? If some value newborn girls less then that may indicate a mindset that thinks it's more acceptable to use teenage girls for kicks and money?

If officials, be they council or police, were raiding premises a decade ago to remove the records of child sexual abuse, then I don't think it's too conspiracy theorist like to think there may be some distraction, news management or spin in raiding Sir Cliff's Penthouse. The police do manage the news agenda and spin.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 23:19

[THX]

carinaman said:

THX, but this thread pre-dates the raid on Sir Cliff:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

You think there's some racism going on this thread?

But not all of people that allowed the abuse to continue are asian are they? They're white.

Don't some cultures or religions value females less? Don't some fathers only care if the newborn is male? Haven't we had sex selective abortions in this country? If some value newborn girls less then that may indicate a mindset that thinks it's more acceptable to use teenage girls for kicks and money?

If officials, be they council or police were raiding premises a decade ago to remove the records of child sexual abuse, then I don't think it's to conspiracy theorist like to think there may be some distraction, news management or spin in raiding Sir Cliff's Penthouse. The police do manage the news agenda and spin.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 23:09

I'm not talking 'official' response, as such. I'm talking the huge outcry from all and sundry. All of a sudden it's Musslin Rape Gangs being discussed in the pub. Yet, mention Westminster... and you're a loon.

Although the very fact that the two stories have come out at, kind of, the same time (or at least to my attention - I could be entirely wrong here) is convenient.

Edit. I'm out. Discussing this here is entirely pointless.

Edited by THX on Friday 29th August 23:26

[andymc]

THX said:

carinaman said:

THX, but this thread pre-dates the raid on Sir Cliff:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

You think there's some racism going on this thread?

But not all of people that allowed the abuse to continue are asian are they? They're white.

Don't some cultures or religions value females less? Don't some fathers only care if the newborn is male? Haven't we had sex selective abortions in this country? If some value newborn girls less then that may indicate a mindset that thinks it's more acceptable to use teenage girls for kicks and money?

If officials, be they council or police were raiding premises a decade ago to remove the records of child sexual abuse, then I don't think it's to conspiracy theorist like to think there may be some distraction, news management or spin in raiding Sir Cliff's Penthouse. The police do manage the news agenda and spin.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 23:09

I'm not talking 'official' response, as such. I'm talking the huge outcry from all and sundry. All of a sudden it's Musslin Rape Gangs being discussed in the pub. Yet, mention Westminster... and you're a loon.

Although the very fact that the two stories have come out at, kind of, the same time (or at least to my attention - I could be entirely wrong here) is convenient.

Edit. I'm out. Discussing this here is entirely pointless.

Edited by THX on Friday 29th August 23:26

you are entirely wrong

[THX]

andymc said:

THX said:

carinaman said:

THX, but this thread pre-dates the raid on Sir Cliff:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

You think there's some racism going on this thread?

But not all of people that allowed the abuse to continue are asian are they? They're white.

Don't some cultures or religions value females less? Don't some fathers only care if the newborn is male? Haven't we had sex selective abortions in this country? If some value newborn girls less then that may indicate a mindset that thinks it's more acceptable to use teenage girls for kicks and money?

If officials, be they council or police were raiding premises a decade ago to remove the records of child sexual abuse, then I don't think it's to conspiracy theorist like to think there may be some distraction, news management or spin in raiding Sir Cliff's Penthouse. The police do manage the news agenda and spin.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 23:09

I'm not talking 'official' response, as such. I'm talking the huge outcry from all and sundry. All of a sudden it's Musslin Rape Gangs being discussed in the pub. Yet, mention Westminster... and you're a loon.

Although the very fact that the two stories have come out at, kind of, the same time (or at least to my attention - I could be entirely wrong here) is convenient.

Edit. I'm out. Discussing this here is entirely pointless.

Edited by THX on Friday 29th August 23:26

you are entirely wrong

OK.

You're entirely wrong.

Edit; Splain how?

[torqueofthedevil]

carinaman said:

FiF said:

If this is how the Pakistani community operates is it any wonder the authorities struggle.

Note I am not excusing anything that went on in SYP and RMBC, but read this story from Skipton and weep.

The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim

Thanks for that link.

Mermaid said:

Potential colour disharmony, due to some rotten eggs who were not stopped in time. Anger towards Pakistanis, Muslims, Brown people.......

The link above mentions how the 'community' seems to be dealt with via male community 'elders'. It almost sounds like Jirgas that British troops would meet with in Afghanistan, but then how different are jirgas from the rogues gallery of councillors for Rotherham?

I'm sure another may have made the comparison here, but how does dealing with the 'community' via a select band of 'elders' compare to the way the election may have been rigged in Tower Hamlets and how have the 'authorities' dealt with that? The returning officer or election official on Radio 4's PM didn't sound that convincing and could have been a 'nothing to see here' routine as the Council and Police have been doing in Rotherham for years.

How different is the way PCC Wright and others in the Council and the police that have kept this abuse hidden for years different from the way the 'community' elders have kept it hidden for years?
H
They're the same it's just that their job titles and flesh tones are different?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 21:54

I thought this the other day and I agree. Why are we going along with this tribal way of dealing with issues? It's not how we operate in the UK. If a member of the white community commits a crime we don't send police to talk to the local priests and vicars and elders in the community! Why give them a platform to make important decisions on strategy and probably act as judge and jury on crimes.

I bet criminals in these communities have got away with murder by police / councils operating this approach, you can imagine it now, "oh no this is very seriously in our community and will be dealt with, but it is also a very sensitive issue that we cannot allow to be made public. The elders will ensure the perpetrators are dealt with" and that being the end of it!

Is this not already a move towards sharia? They are deciding on ad implimenting their own law?

And where are women's voices in this? Is it democratically elected and representative of all parts of their society?

[andymc]

torqueofthedevil said:

carinaman said:

FiF said:

If this is how the Pakistani community operates is it any wonder the authorities struggle.

Note I am not excusing anything that went on in SYP and RMBC, but read this story from Skipton and weep.

The untold story of how a culture of shame perpetuates abuse. I know, I was a victim

Thanks for that link.

Mermaid said:

Potential colour disharmony, due to some rotten eggs who were not stopped in time. Anger towards Pakistanis, Muslims, Brown people.......

The link above mentions how the 'community' seems to be dealt with via male community 'elders'. It almost sounds like Jirgas that British troops would meet with in Afghanistan, but then how different are jirgas from the rogues gallery of councillors for Rotherham?

I'm sure another may have made the comparison here, but how does dealing with the 'community' via a select band of 'elders' compare to the way the election may have been rigged in Tower Hamlets and how have the 'authorities' dealt with that? The returning officer or election official on Radio 4's PM didn't sound that convincing and could have been a 'nothing to see here' routine as the Council and Police have been doing in Rotherham for years.

How different is the way PCC Wright and others in the Council and the police that have kept this abuse hidden for years different from the way the 'community' elders have kept it hidden for years?
H
They're the same it's just that their job titles and flesh tones are different?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 29th August 21:54

I thought this the other day and I agree. Why are we going along with this tribal way of dealing with issues? It's not how we operate in the UK. If a member of the white community commits a crime we don't send police to talk to the local priests and vicars and elders in the community! Why give them a platform to make important decisions on strategy and probably act as judge and jury on crimes.

I bet criminals in these communities have got away with murder by police / councils operating this approach, you can imagine it now, "oh no this is very seriously in our community and will be dealt with, but it is also a very sensitive issue that we cannot allow to be made public. The elders will ensure the perpetrators are dealt with" and that being the end of it!

Is this not already a move towards sharia? They are deciding on ad implimenting their own law?

And where are women's voices in this? Is it democratically elected and representative of all parts of their society?

Stop it there is no room for sense in here, I got a comment binned "for goading" when I asked if Magnum did airport runs, I suggest by saying as whites we should look after our children more carefully and they won't be attacked was goading of the highest order.
The figures don't lie, there is a propensity of Pakistani males who are grooming white girls for sex