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Twincharge said:
It's not just 'white' girls, here is one, and she might just be the tip of the iceberg. When it comes to paedophi1es, regardless of their race or religion, the modus operandi is usually the same. They will first pick on the easiest victims i.e. children of friends or family. Do you really think they have some sort of code of conduct e.g. we mustn't molest Muslim kids because they are forbidden, but white kids are fair game???? Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.
I would imagine that once you have bought a twelve year old a drink or given her a ride in your Taxi it is no longer deemed rape in the eyes of the elders.Twincharge said:
andymc said:
The figures don't lie, there is a propensity of Pakistani males who are grooming white girls for sex
It's not just 'white' girls, here is one, and she might just be the tip of the iceberg. When it comes to paedophi1es, regardless of their race or religion, the modus operandi is usually the same. They will first pick on the easiest victims i.e. children of friends or family. Do you really think they have some sort of code of conduct e.g. we mustn't molest Muslim kids because they are forbidden, but white kids are fair game???? Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.heppers75 said:
So whilst it is interesting to post a victim profile the victims are really not the focus of this discussion the perpetrators are, hence the thread title.
Agreed, yet without victims there are no perpetrators. What would the response have been if these girls were not predominately white? I wonder.Twincharge said:
Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.
This may well be true.However, we see many instances of women being stoned to death for adultery.
Why do we not see instances of men being stoned to death for committing rape?
I was going to reply when the Mohammed / Aisha stuff was posted but it's just laughable.
Each to their own when it come to religion and all that but there's plenty of evidence that religion f
ks people up when it comes to sex.
Child abuse - and the abuse of others that can't stand up for themselves - is evidently rife and has been condoned and covered up by many sections of society for years.
Public Schools, The Catholic Church, sports clubs, the police, the government, political parties and councils.
It's fking everywhere, and in political circles goes hand in hand with cronyism and corruption.
Until there is fundamental change in our party political system I really don't think there is anything we can do about it.
Each to their own when it come to religion and all that but there's plenty of evidence that religion f
ks people up when it comes to sex. Child abuse - and the abuse of others that can't stand up for themselves - is evidently rife and has been condoned and covered up by many sections of society for years.
Public Schools, The Catholic Church, sports clubs, the police, the government, political parties and councils.
It's f
king everywhere, and in political circles goes hand in hand with cronyism and corruption.Until there is fundamental change in our party political system I really don't think there is anything we can do about it.
don4l said:
Twincharge said:
Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.
This may well be true.However, we see many instances of women being stoned to death for adultery.
Why do we not see instances of men being stoned to death for committing rape?
t initThis had probably already been posted but a very interesting article interviewing the lady who made the report.
Unbelievable accounts of incompetence and failings
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11063...
Unbelievable accounts of incompetence and failings
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11063...
Twincharge said:
heppers75 said:
So whilst it is interesting to post a victim profile the victims are really not the focus of this discussion the perpetrators are, hence the thread title.
Agreed, yet without victims there are no perpetrators. What would the response have been if these girls were not predominately white? I wonder.Are you really that shallow?
Also the answer to your question which I will be courteous enough to answer is exactly the same, the focus would be on the perpetrators not the victims.
Schermerhorn said:
Where in the Quran does it say Mohammed married Aysha at the age of 6 and consumated the marriage at the age of 9?
Please give references otherwise people will call you out on it!
I'd have happily provided chapter and verse (and it wouldn't have been from wiki) but many people have beaten me to it, trust me, as I said I have very good knowledge on ALL organised religions as well as a great deal of knowledge when it comes to what are termed the 'Esoteric systems'.Please give references otherwise people will call you out on it!
I've already stated on Cliff thread that I believe these cases were shelved ready to bring out at a convenient time when any other s
t hit the fan, such as Elm Guest house revelations, I've stated on the 'terror threat increased' thread that I believed that was a diversionary tactic to get the Rotherham scandal off the front pages. I get my fair share of 'tin-foil-hat' insults, but to be in denial of political cover-ups, conspiracies and the lengths these people will go to in the interests of self-preservation is to me bizarre. Although I will grant them that it's all very unbelievable and beyond most peoples' comprehension because most people, inside are inherantly good natured and moral so can't come to terms with the way some people act.
The evidence is everywhere, more and more of it.
(The majority of this post isn't a direct response to anything you've said btw, only the Quran reference part is aimed at you specifically)
Best wishes.
Twincharge said:
Just as a reminder the penalty under Shariah law for rape is death, regardless of the age or religion of the victim.
It is yes.However this cannot be implemented on the evidence of a woman, or indeed a witness of any sex.
Only by four male witnesses.
Or
only on the grounds of a full and frank confession.
If you're going to state what Sharia Law is you're going to have to get better accuracy because some here may be quite knowledgeable on that very subject!
Justayellowbadge said:
Indeed.
The rest of the world chooses to punish the rapist though.
Indeed, would you like to hazard a guess as to what the allocated punishment might be for a woman who accuses a man of rape in the absence of four male witnesses or a confession?The rest of the world chooses to punish the rapist though.
"Shas no one to blame but herself. She displayed her beauty to the entire world... to tease man and appeal to his carnal nature."
I'm sure I don't need to spell that out further.
Purity14 said:
Schermerhorn said:
25NAD90TUL said:
I happen to have some knowledge of the Quran.
In Islam a girl child is considered ready for marriage on appearance of their first period.
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The prophet Mohammed maried Ayesha at age 6, but then he did wait...The marriage was consummated at age 9.
Now if the men in question came up with the defence that they were attempting to convert the girls to Islam by their actions, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour according to the book.
Dunno if that has any bearing on this.
I'm not racist at all, I know when it comes to crimes of this nature that the type of men involved are opportunists, whatever their race.
Now it just so happens that these type of girls, vulnerable, cold, hungry, desperate for attention, aren't going to wander into your car body repair shop at 3pm.
They are going to be in late night takeaways, hungry, cold etc at 3am though, same with taxi-ranks, 'can I sit in your taxi mister and get warm?' 'How many chips can I get for 23p?'
I think men who are driven in that way will take opportunities as they present themselves whatever their race, I've known plenty of 'questionable' white men with very little in the way of a 'moral compass' plenty in the rock 'n' roll business. With late-night taxis and takeaways it is a fact that where there are large populations of Pakistani men, they do tend to work in these industries. As stated the girls are hardly likely to wander into your business that closes at 5pm.
A lot of problems come about because of this 'honour' bs. Not wanting the dis-honour of this on their family (who would?) can lead to perverting the course of justice, not wanting to bring public attention to it even though they may be appalled by it, councillors pulling strings to not bring the shame on the extended family of a 'perp'.
Myself if it was my own brother I'd want him done, shamed, probably castrated, certainly ostracised, sharing a name doesn't mean you share the shame...
Or does it? Clearly in the eyes of some communities it does.
Where in the Quran does it say Mohammed married Aysha at the age of 6 and consumated the marriage at the age of 9?In Islam a girl child is considered ready for marriage on appearance of their first period.
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The prophet Mohammed maried Ayesha at age 6, but then he did wait...The marriage was consummated at age 9.
Now if the men in question came up with the defence that they were attempting to convert the girls to Islam by their actions, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour according to the book.
Dunno if that has any bearing on this.
I'm not racist at all, I know when it comes to crimes of this nature that the type of men involved are opportunists, whatever their race.
Now it just so happens that these type of girls, vulnerable, cold, hungry, desperate for attention, aren't going to wander into your car body repair shop at 3pm.
They are going to be in late night takeaways, hungry, cold etc at 3am though, same with taxi-ranks, 'can I sit in your taxi mister and get warm?' 'How many chips can I get for 23p?'
I think men who are driven in that way will take opportunities as they present themselves whatever their race, I've known plenty of 'questionable' white men with very little in the way of a 'moral compass' plenty in the rock 'n' roll business. With late-night taxis and takeaways it is a fact that where there are large populations of Pakistani men, they do tend to work in these industries. As stated the girls are hardly likely to wander into your business that closes at 5pm.
A lot of problems come about because of this 'honour' bs. Not wanting the dis-honour of this on their family (who would?) can lead to perverting the course of justice, not wanting to bring public attention to it even though they may be appalled by it, councillors pulling strings to not bring the shame on the extended family of a 'perp'.
Myself if it was my own brother I'd want him done, shamed, probably castrated, certainly ostracised, sharing a name doesn't mean you share the shame...
Or does it? Clearly in the eyes of some communities it does.
Please give references otherwise people will call you out on it!
Aysha isn't mentioned in the Quran BTW. Jesus is mentioned more times than Mohammed.
The poster I quoted claimed to be an 'expert' on the Quran yet then babbled about a topic that wasn't even in the Quran.
Like I said, don't make stuff up otherwise people - Muslims or non Muslims - will call you out on it and make you look very stupid very quickly.
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