another abuse gang

[Jinx]

Schermerhorn said:

Wikipedia?

Aysha isn't mentioned in the Quran BTW. Jesus is mentioned more times than Mohammed.

The poster I quoted claimed to be an 'expert' on the Quran yet then babbled about a topic that wasn't even in the Quran.

Like I said, don't make stuff up otherwise people - Muslims or non Muslims - will call you out on it and make you look very stupid very quickly.

The life of Mohammed has many more sources than the life of Jesus (600 year odd difference but that's not the whole reason). Whom he married and her age at marriage and consummation are rarely an issue of debate - given the social mores of the time (and it's the same now in certain parts of the world) all it takes is for the monthly cycle to start - "age of consent" is a social construct.
Of course if you live in the UK you should be obeying the social constructs of the UK and not Raping an abusing young girls irrespective of your own "social mores" - this is perhaps the issue why the majority of abusers share a similar background.
The "authorities" frequently turn a blind eye to other cultural practices (from fear of being labelled racist) that go against the UK's own rules (abortion because of gender, Halal, forced marriages, FGM) so is it too much of a stretch to expect similar for sexual abuse of minors (experience suggests - Rotherham, Oxford etc. - not)?

[Digga]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Also, in the late 80s there are well documented instances of (Asian) Sikh girls being groomed by similar gangs of Muslim men, often posing as Sikhs - names, jewellery etc. - themselves to gain trust. There was also a lot of bother between Sikhs and Muslims as a result. (I now remember this from a conversation with a Sikh friend at the time which I'd since forgotten, about his cousin who worked at the same place as us and was seeing a local Muslim.)

As a result of all this, it seems the Sikhs took initiative to educate girls on the perils of grooming in order that they did not fall victim. Sadly, no one was looking out for the poor, disenfranchised white girls in the same way - probably, as we now know, because to warn of a threat from a specific profile of offender would have been deemed racist.

[gpo746]

Guam said:

gpo746 said:

Funy that several names are not on her defending or trying to deflect
Where's the Nottinghamshire pretend doctor o the aussie fibber when you expect them ?
In one case it wouldn't surprise me if he is away "fighting his cause" in some hell hole

I had wondered at that, there are a number of the usual suspects who are usually all over these threads that havent been about for almost a year now. Oddly coinciding with many of us telling them to go join the fight when the Syrian debate was raging prior to the vote

Wasn't the ones I was thinking of. These have been on as recently as a few weeks ago. They are usually SO much more vocal about how its a "tiny minority" "blown out of proportion" " etc. A good example of this was some of the apologist crap they posted on The Islam And The West thread that ran for a while. I see one of them is still here commenting about Bradford obviously thinks multi cultarism is a bonus etc.

Edited by gpo746 on Wednesday 3rd September 10:20

[chris watton]

Funny, a few years ago, we were all taking the piss about that (not too well educated) Right winger who tried to tell us about the Muslim rape gangs, you know, that interview that we all laughed at (me included), and became an internet hit with the song 'Muslim Ray Guns'

How we all laughed and mocked at this simpleton, spreading his poisonous and deluded right wing lies, and is made us all feet better and confirmed our cultural sensitivity to mock....

[andymadmak]

chris watton said:

Funny, a few years ago, we were all taking the piss about that (not too well educated) Right winger who tried to tell us about the Muslim rape gangs, you know, that interview that we all laughed at (me included), and became an internet hit with the song 'Muslim Ray Guns'

How we all laughed and mocked at this simpleton, spreading his poisonous and deluded right wing lies, and is made us all feet better and confirmed our cultural sensitivity to mock....

yes. I remember this. Muslamic ray guns man. Still on youtube if you google it. Boy oh boy did I get into trouble on here with some posters when I suggested that deliberately misinterpreting what the fellow was saying (which is essentially what the lefties were doing) instead of addressing the issues he was raising would only make matters worse and would only serve to drive more people towards right wing extreme groups. - That way lies anarchy and significant levels of violence between communities.

Muslamic ray guns.....

Muslim rape gangs....


How anyone thought this problem should be the subject of ridicule and mockery is quite beyond me. - Not attacking you Chris, but the tactics of demonisation of the innocent in order to protect the guilty were already clearly on display. It's tragic that so many fell for it, got carried away with it, and enjoyed the "joke" rather than recognised the real issue at hand.

Edited by andymadmak on Wednesday 3rd September 13:12

[The Hypno-Toad]

chris watton said:

Funny, a few years ago, we were all taking the piss about that (not too well educated) Right winger who tried to tell us about the Muslim rape gangs, you know, that interview that we all laughed at (me included), and became an internet hit with the song 'Muslim Ray Guns'

How we all laughed and mocked at this simpleton, spreading his poisonous and deluded right wing lies, and is made us all feet better and confirmed our cultural sensitivity to mock....

A couple of years ago a lunatic claimed that reason the principal reason for his terrible actions was that it wasn't Islamic extremists who are the main threat to our western way of life. It was the appeasers (as he saw them) who wanted to integrate our enemies (as he saw them.) into a multi-cultural way of life.

He currently squats in a prison cell in Norway, waiting for his dream of becoming the west's Osama Bin Laden, inspiring a force of committed, genocide driven knights, to come true.

The way things are going, I wonder how long he's going to have to wait before someone slaughters in his name?

[TTwiggy]

Purity14 said:

I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.

I know you want some kind of argument about what it says and where, but unfortunately that isn't important.


What is important, is that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed who was 53 years old, raped a 9 year old girl.

Personally, I find that behavior unacceptable, especially if his followers are trying to recreate that type of scene in 2014.

Isabel of France was 7 years old when Richard II was betrothed to her in 1396. How many historical cases of child brides do you want to get worked up over?

[s1962a]

Purity14 said:

I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.

Aren't you the fountain of knowledge and facts.

Ok, i'll call you up on this - post the sources where you got this information from about hadith's. How did you verify the authenticity of these hadith's? Cos someone on the internet said it?

You probably are also aware that hadith's are peoples viewpoints, and there could be more than one viewpoint. I don't need to insult your intelligence by stating this do I?

[chris watton]

The Hypno-Toad said:

chris watton said:

Funny, a few years ago, we were all taking the piss about that (not too well educated) Right winger who tried to tell us about the Muslim rape gangs, you know, that interview that we all laughed at (me included), and became an internet hit with the song 'Muslim Ray Guns'

How we all laughed and mocked at this simpleton, spreading his poisonous and deluded right wing lies, and is made us all feet better and confirmed our cultural sensitivity to mock....

A couple of years ago a lunatic claimed that reason the principal reason for his terrible actions was that it wasn't Islamic extremists who are the main threat to our western way of life. It was the appeasers (as he saw them) who wanted to integrate our enemies (as he saw them.) into a multi-cultural way of life.

He currently squats in a prison cell in Norway, waiting for his dream of becoming the west's Osama Bin Laden, inspiring a force of committed, genocide driven knights, to come true.

The way things are going, I wonder how long he's going to have to wait before someone slaughters in his name?

Yes, but what has that got to do with this English guy complaining about Muslim rape gangs, and the subsequent ridiculing he received afterwards, many saying he was a just a racist nutter (perhaps..), making stuff up to prove a point?

It seems, after all, he was right - and while we were collectively laughing at him, young white girls were being raped by Pakistani Muslim sex gangs!

Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 3rd September 13:42

[s1962a]

chris watton said:

Yes, but what has that got to do with this English guy complaining about Muslim rape gangs, and the subsequent ridiculing he received afterwards, many saying he was a just a racist nutter (perhaps..), making stuff up to prove a point?

It seems, after all, he was right - and while we were collectively laughing at him, young white girls were being raped my Muslim sex gangs!

You forgot to add 'Pakistani Muslim sex gangs', and that it's the exact same ISIS people that are beheading people.

[s1962a]

Purity14 said:

s1962a said:

Purity14 said:

I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.

Aren't you the fountain of knowledge and facts.

Ok, i'll call you up on this - post the sources where you got this information from about hadith's. How did you verify the authenticity of these hadith's? Cos someone on the internet said it?

You probably are also aware that hadith's are peoples viewpoints, and there could be more than one viewpoint. I don't need to insult your intelligence by stating this do I?

Sorry sir, the internet and all its sources, including other peoples viewpoints are incorrect.

Perhaps you should update the wikipedia article to include your words of wisdom.

You still haven't provided any sources. Do you read consipiracy theories and think, oh that must be correct without following up on the contrarian view?

Anyway, lets debate this. Here is an article which suggests she was more like 15 when she got married.


Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:

Maulana Muhammad Ali said:

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.”

Show me yours

[TTwiggy]

Purity14 said:

TTwiggy said:

Purity14 said:

I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.

I know you want some kind of argument about what it says and where, but unfortunately that isn't important.


What is important, is that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed who was 53 years old, raped a 9 year old girl.

Personally, I find that behavior unacceptable, especially if his followers are trying to recreate that type of scene in 2014.

Isabel of France was 7 years old when Richard II was betrothed to her in 1396. How many historical cases of child brides do you want to get worked up over?

People don't worship Richard II, and haven't formed a religion based on his teachings.

A few English kings have been canonised. I'd wager a fair few dipped their wicks in underage girls (by current legal definition under UK law).

[s1962a]

Purity14 said:

I'm Happy with 15 and don't refute your post.

My comment still stands, Id say it was still unacceptable for a 53 year old male to rape a 15 year old girl.

Acceptable at the time, perhaps - But in 2014 people are still worshiping this Mohammed character, and according to this thread they are the ones raping the 15 year old girls.

Is it a case of "Mohammed did it; its fine, we can do it too.." and it makes it acceptable for them to do it in 2014?

It would be nice if they just stopped doing it tbh.

In case you haven't read my previous posts, I deplore what these guys have done, and think they are absolute scum. I also think this is a problem for the local Pakistani communities involved for turning a blind eye to these if they knew about it. Also to the police who knew about the issue but did nothing in case they were labelled racists (WTF? criminals will use any trick in the book - including the race card).

However I don't really see it as an islamic issue, as muslims in the UK are a lot more diverse that just Pakistani's living in Rotheram, and these gangas have been primarily of Pakistani origin. Given the facts you listed, what makes Gary Glitter type peodo's to over to Thailand to 'have fun'? I doubt it's religion. They are just sick fks - same as these guys.

[Dan_1981]

"Rotherham Action Day" being 'promoted' on Facebook in lots of local groups at the moment.

This Saturday - basically seems to be EDL / BNP etc

That'll help.

[TTwiggy]

Purity14 said:

TTwiggy said:

Purity14 said:

TTwiggy said:

Purity14 said:

I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.

I know you want some kind of argument about what it says and where, but unfortunately that isn't important.


What is important, is that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed who was 53 years old, raped a 9 year old girl.

Personally, I find that behavior unacceptable, especially if his followers are trying to recreate that type of scene in 2014.

Isabel of France was 7 years old when Richard II was betrothed to her in 1396. How many historical cases of child brides do you want to get worked up over?

People don't worship Richard II, and haven't formed a religion based on his teachings.

A few English kings have been canonised. I'd wager a fair few dipped their wicks in underage girls (by current legal definition under UK law).

I don't doubt it, but I don't see any rape gangs with an ideology based on or around English monarchs.

Did the prophet teach that it was good to rape children? Also, it's probably worth noting that the prophet (may his name be Sage) is revered rather than worshiped. It's only semantics I suppose, but it's probably an important distinction to some people.

[s1962a]

TTwiggy said:

Did the prophet teach that it was good to rape children? Also, it's probably worth noting that the prophet (may his name be Sage) is revered rather than worshiped. It's only semantics I suppose, but it's probably an important distinction to some people.

Why don't you ask Peado priests what made them do it? Doubt it's religion.

[heppers75]

s1962a said:

In case you haven't read my previous posts, I deplore what these guys have done, and think they are absolute scum. I also think this is a problem for the local Pakistani communities involved for turning a blind eye to these if they knew about it. Also to the police who knew about the issue but did nothing in case they were labelled racists (WTF? criminals will use any trick in the book - including the race card).

However I don't really see it as an islamic issue, as muslims in the UK are a lot more diverse that just Pakistani's living in Rotheram, and these gangas have been primarily of Pakistani origin . Given the facts you listed, what makes Gary Glitter type peodo's to over to Thailand to 'have fun'? I doubt it's religion. They are just sick fks - same as these guys.

Can we get a hallelujah, this is the first time I can recall seeing anyone that has been in the defense of this issue on demographic/religious or other grounds actually putting that in writing!

[FiF]

The Oh look a squirrel continues.

There are plenty of other groups of different origin engaged in grooming and abuse.

Identify the perpetrators plus their modus operandi, investigate, gather evidence regardless of who they are or the connections they have, and if there is evidence prosecute without fear or favour.

How hard is it to acknowledge that this is what the kids, their families, the people trying to protect the kids and society in general deserves. Anyone who attempts to divert or subvert this process is as guilty as the abusers.

[s1962a]

Dan_1981 said:

"Rotherham Action Day" being 'promoted' on Facebook in lots of local groups at the moment.

This Saturday - basically seems to be EDL / BNP etc

That'll help.

Didn't the ex leader of the EDL join some muslim group?

Must be trying to create some community cohesion or something.

[s1962a]

heppers75 said:

s1962a said:

In case you haven't read my previous posts, I deplore what these guys have done, and think they are absolute scum. I also think this is a problem for the local Pakistani communities involved for turning a blind eye to these if they knew about it. Also to the police who knew about the issue but did nothing in case they were labelled racists (WTF? criminals will use any trick in the book - including the race card).

However I don't really see it as an islamic issue, as muslims in the UK are a lot more diverse that just Pakistani's living in Rotheram, and these gangas have been primarily of Pakistani origin . Given the facts you listed, what makes Gary Glitter type peodo's to over to Thailand to 'have fun'? I doubt it's religion. They are just sick fks - same as these guys.

Can we get a hallelujah, this is the first time I can recall seeing anyone that has been in the defense of this issue on demographic/religious or other grounds actually putting that in writing!

heppers we've discussed this previously (read back through your own posts).

I'm a bit offended actually - are there that many posters on here that you just can't remember who you did what with? You racist