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FiF said:
The Oh look a squirrel continues.
There are plenty of other groups of different origin engaged in grooming and abuse.
Identify the perpetrators plus their modus operandi, investigate, gather evidence regardless of who they are or the connections they have, and if there is evidence prosecute without fear or favour.
How hard is it to acknowledge that this is what the kids, their families, the people trying to protect the kids and society in general deserves. Anyone who attempts to divert or subvert this process is as guilty as the abusers.
Such as those looking to bring religion into the arguement for instance? There are plenty of other groups of different origin engaged in grooming and abuse.
Identify the perpetrators plus their modus operandi, investigate, gather evidence regardless of who they are or the connections they have, and if there is evidence prosecute without fear or favour.
How hard is it to acknowledge that this is what the kids, their families, the people trying to protect the kids and society in general deserves. Anyone who attempts to divert or subvert this process is as guilty as the abusers.
What we have here is a group of Pakistani men engaged in the sexual abuse and pimping out of young girls. An 'industry' which sadly pre-dates any and all religious books. Ironically, those seeking to bring religion into this debate are actually offering an excuse for the disgusting behaviour of these men - and I'm sure nobody wants to do that now, do they?
s1962a said:
heppers75 said:
s1962a said:
In case you haven't read my previous posts, I deplore what these guys have done, and think they are absolute scum. I also think this is a problem for the local Pakistani communities involved for turning a blind eye to these if they knew about it. Also to the police who knew about the issue but did nothing in case they were labelled racists (WTF? criminals will use any trick in the book - including the race card).
However I don't really see it as an islamic issue, as muslims in the UK are a lot more diverse that just Pakistani's living in Rotheram, and these gangas have been primarily of Pakistani origin . Given the facts you listed, what makes Gary Glitter type peodo's to over to Thailand to 'have fun'? I doubt it's religion. They are just sick f
ks - same as these guys.
Can we get a hallelujah, this is the first time I can recall seeing anyone that has been in the defense of this issue on demographic/religious or other grounds actually putting that in writing! However I don't really see it as an islamic issue, as muslims in the UK are a lot more diverse that just Pakistani's living in Rotheram, and these gangas have been primarily of Pakistani origin . Given the facts you listed, what makes Gary Glitter type peodo's to over to Thailand to 'have fun'? I doubt it's religion. They are just sick f
ks - same as these guys.I'm a bit offended actually - are there that many posters on here that you just can't remember who you did what with? You racist
Lets not get sidetracked by this nonsense.
The problem is that in Rotherham and in other British towns a significant number of Pakistani men are
Paedophi1es and rapists under BRITISH LAW.
They have additionally used their ethnicity to avoid arrest and when abusing their own little girls, the
strength of family shame would almost always quash the matter from going any further.
The culture is wrong. And it needs addressing.
The problem is that in Rotherham and in other British towns a significant number of Pakistani men are
Paedophi1es and rapists under BRITISH LAW.
They have additionally used their ethnicity to avoid arrest and when abusing their own little girls, the
strength of family shame would almost always quash the matter from going any further.
The culture is wrong. And it needs addressing.
TTwiggy said:
Purity14 said:
TTwiggy said:
Purity14 said:
I know the Quran doesn't say that, It says it in the Hadith Literature. I know this because I read the Wikipedia article, and then briefly looked at the sources that it references.
I know you want some kind of argument about what it says and where, but unfortunately that isn't important.
What is important, is that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed who was 53 years old, raped a 9 year old girl.
Personally, I find that behavior unacceptable, especially if his followers are trying to recreate that type of scene in 2014.
Isabel of France was 7 years old when Richard II was betrothed to her in 1396. How many historical cases of child brides do you want to get worked up over?I know you want some kind of argument about what it says and where, but unfortunately that isn't important.
What is important, is that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed who was 53 years old, raped a 9 year old girl.
Personally, I find that behavior unacceptable, especially if his followers are trying to recreate that type of scene in 2014.
TTwiggy said:
WinstonWolf said:
You haven't provided any sources... As you ask for them it's only fair you also provide yours.
I didn't ask for any sources (though a bit of ketchup would be nice love, if you've got the time?)WinstonWolf said:
TTwiggy said:
WinstonWolf said:
You haven't provided any sources... As you ask for them it's only fair you also provide yours.
I didn't ask for any sources (though a bit of ketchup would be nice love, if you've got the time?)What would you like me to offer sources for? Richard II did marry a child bride - the age is not disputed, but I don't have any reference to when a consummation took place I'm afraid, though it may be recorded somewhere.
WinstonWolf said:
TTwiggy said:
WinstonWolf said:
You haven't provided any sources... As you ask for them it's only fair you also provide yours.
I didn't ask for any sources (though a bit of ketchup would be nice love, if you've got the time?)I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
s1962a said:
Honestly!
I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
Do you not agree that it's fair to say we have moved on since then?I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
I think part of the reason why people were married at younger ages was the simple fact that, if you reached the age of 21, you were considered to have done pretty well, and at 30, extremely well.
Most westerners don't even consider having kids until well into their 30's these days.
simes43 said:
Perhaps someone could supply links showing how the community has
outed the abusers.
It would appease the situation significantly if the British public
could see how the moderate and peaceful are addressing the problem
today.
They have been notably quiet, other than to point out that there was some mighty questionable behaviour going on here back in the dark ages. Perhaps that's the common denominator?outed the abusers.
It would appease the situation significantly if the British public
could see how the moderate and peaceful are addressing the problem
today.
chris watton said:
Do you not agree that it's fair to say we have moved on since then?
I think part of the reason why people were married at younger ages was the simple fact that, if you reached the age of 21, you were considered to have done pretty well, and at 30, extremely well.
Most westerners don't even consider having kids until well into their 30's these days.
Completely off topic, but actually life expectancy in the middle ages wasn't too bad. You just had to avoid dieing in childhood (or in childbirth, if you were a woman) and then 70 odd years of age was quite common.I think part of the reason why people were married at younger ages was the simple fact that, if you reached the age of 21, you were considered to have done pretty well, and at 30, extremely well.
Most westerners don't even consider having kids until well into their 30's these days.
It only dropped significantly during the era of industrialisation.
s1962a said:
Honestly!
I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
Is the point surely though that this is exactly that history? I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
If there were groups/gangs of English males in Victorian reenactment societies out there drugging and forcing 12 year olds into prostitution there would be outrage and public cries for those groups/gangs to be targeted for the prevention of such - and rightly so!
There are clearly groups/gangs of another demographic and or similar mindset which are grouped based on probably many premises including socioeconomic, educational and some warped mindset and also like it or not seemingly include their country of birth and their shared religious persuasion, which are doing exactly that yet it appears from a number of quarters to be unacceptable to pursue or even mention that as such. In fact from many who are now of course silent to even acknowledge that they are the facts as available and the mere mention of those facts causes outrage.
I for one do not know why that is, as I have stated before if the facts were pointing towards Jamaican Yardies, go after them, if the facts are pointing towards Romanian Gypsies, go after them, if the facts point towards 18-40 year old white, left handed male members of the church of the latter day saints, go after them.
Just because the facts point somewhere that is uncomfortable does not negate them from being the facts!
WinstonWolf said:
They have been notably quiet, other than to point out that there was some mighty questionable behaviour going on here back in the dark ages. Perhaps that's the common denominator?
1885. Sadly not the number of people handing themselves in to their local ploice station, but when British law raised the age of consent to 16.simes43 said:
Perhaps someone could supply links showing how the community has
outed the abusers.
It would appease the situation significantly if the British public
could see how the moderate and peaceful are addressing the problem
today.
How would the moderate and peaceful element know that it was going on? I don't think the people that did this did it front of their own community any more than they did it in front of the general public?outed the abusers.
It would appease the situation significantly if the British public
could see how the moderate and peaceful are addressing the problem
today.
I'm not an expert but when people indulge in behaviour like this I'm guessing that they keep it hidden to themselves and their own group?
ETA - Hypothetically, there's a bloke down the road called "Abdul". He's a bit of a chav, drives like a d1ck, and rumour is he sells weed. I don't socialise with him as such. Apparently he's got a "white girlfriend". At what point would you suspect that he's a peadophile?
Edited by Countdown on Wednesday 3rd September 15:19
heppers75 said:
s1962a said:
Honestly!
I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
Is the point surely though that this is exactly that history? I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
If there were groups/gangs of English males in Victorian reenactment societies out there drugging and forcing 12 year olds into prostitution there would be outrage and public cries for those groups/gangs to be targeted for the prevention of such - and rightly so!
There are clearly groups/gangs of another demographic and or similar mindset which are grouped based on probably many premises including socioeconomic, educational and some warped mindset and also like it or not seemingly include their country of birth and their shared religious persuasion, which are doing exactly that yet it appears from a number of quarters to be unacceptable to pursue or even mention that as such. In fact from many who are now of course silent to even acknowledge that they are the facts as available and the mere mention of those facts causes outrage.
I for one do not know why that is, as I have stated before if the facts were pointing towards Jamaican Yardies, go after them, if the facts are pointing towards Romanian Gypsies, go after them, if the facts point towards 18-40 year old white, left handed male members of the church of the latter day saints, go after them.
Just because the facts point somewhere that is uncomfortable does not negate them from being the facts!
If you take the last 100 british people arrested in the far east for peado offences, could you try and work out a commone reason of why they are like that, other than that they are just sickos?
s1962a said:
heppers75 said:
s1962a said:
Honestly!
I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
Is the point surely though that this is exactly that history? I know wikipedia is loathed and loved at the same time, but I found this interesting reading about our history. Pot. Kettle. and all that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Histor...
If there were groups/gangs of English males in Victorian reenactment societies out there drugging and forcing 12 year olds into prostitution there would be outrage and public cries for those groups/gangs to be targeted for the prevention of such - and rightly so!
There are clearly groups/gangs of another demographic and or similar mindset which are grouped based on probably many premises including socioeconomic, educational and some warped mindset and also like it or not seemingly include their country of birth and their shared religious persuasion, which are doing exactly that yet it appears from a number of quarters to be unacceptable to pursue or even mention that as such. In fact from many who are now of course silent to even acknowledge that they are the facts as available and the mere mention of those facts causes outrage.
I for one do not know why that is, as I have stated before if the facts were pointing towards Jamaican Yardies, go after them, if the facts are pointing towards Romanian Gypsies, go after them, if the facts point towards 18-40 year old white, left handed male members of the church of the latter day saints, go after them.
Just because the facts point somewhere that is uncomfortable does not negate them from being the facts!
If you take the last 100 british people arrested in the far east for peado offences, could you try and work out a commone reason of why they are like that, other than that they are just sickos?
tty take on women), it's a cultural problem which needs addressing.WinstonWolf said:
They have been notably quiet, other than to point out that there was some mighty questionable behaviour going on here back in the dark ages. Perhaps that's the common denominator?
That was in direct response to a poster who stated, as fact, that Muhammad raped a 9-year-old - as if that somehow explains why these men are doing it too.TTwiggy said:
WinstonWolf said:
They have been notably quiet, other than to point out that there was some mighty questionable behaviour going on here back in the dark ages. Perhaps that's the common denominator?
That was in direct response to a poster who stated, as fact, that Muhammad raped a 9-year-old - as if that somehow explains why these men are doing it too.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff