another abuse gang

[Bill]

anonymous said:

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It's a worthy idea but going to a local imam to try to sort out the inherent misogyny in Islam is doomed to fail, and even if it succeeded the chances of that filtering down to a bunch of rapists and affecting their behaviour is zero. It could conceivably affect the next generation, but not as effectively as the police doing their job and putting the current batch of criminals inside.

It's like asking the local vicar to sort out a graffiti epidemic, the two groups of people are unlikely ever to meet.

[Twincharge]

anonymous said:

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So, their parents should also be prosecuted?

anonymous said:

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....but not those who ignored it? Difficult to do? However, apparently it is easy for a single Imam to Police an entire community?

[irocfan]

anonymous said:

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that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

[Mermaid]

anonymous said:

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Why isn't this obvious? Everyone directly and indirectly involved with this major calamity have to pay a price, or else it creates a bad precedent. This is not an issue of who cheated at monopoly.

[carinaman]

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

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that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

[gpo746]

Bill said:

Twincharge said:

heppers75 said:

So she asked a friend, a Muslim councillor of Pakistani heritage, to approach the elders at the mosque with a list of 35 names and addresses of the alleged perpetrators. "He said to the imams, 'Ann Cryer would like you to go around to these families and explain that this behaviour is totally un-Islamic.' But the upshot was that the elders allegedly said, 'Go back to Ann Cryer and tell her it's nothing to do with us.'?"

Is this a Councillors job though? We are talking about men raping children, not parking in front of peoples driveways. This was a massive failing on the authorities part.

To expect a Councillor, to knock on 35 doors and announce 'Excuse me, is the Pakistani taxi-driving abuser at home please?' is plain ridiculous. This should have always been a job for the Police.

I think the idea is that the Imam should have gone round. But your point stands. The perpetrators may well not be regular mosque goers, and even if they are, should the imam be doing the police's job? Isn't that verging on shariah law??

Trying to blame this on "the community" is distracting from the massive failure of the authorities IMO.

Deflection post

[andymadmak]

carinaman said:

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

Is that the same woman who wanted to remove some foster kids because the carers were UKIP voters?
So, in Rotherham, you can shag a 12 year old, torture her, douse her in petrol and share her like a bag of sweeties as much as you like, but don't you ever consider voting UKIP.
Local social services run by your local New Labour people eh?

[HonestIago]

andymadmak said:

Is that the same woman who wanted to remove some foster kids because the carers were UKIP voters?
So, in Rotherham, you can shag a 12 year old, torture her, douse her in petrol and share her like a bag of sweeties as much as you like, but don't you ever consider voting UKIP.
Local social services run by your local New Labour people eh?

This alone proves Labour are morally utterly bankrupt and deserve nothing but electoral oblivion. This will only happen if the penny FINALLY drops for the thick white working classes whom Labour so despise.

[TTwiggy]

HonestIago said:

thick white working classes whom Labour so despise.

I feel the concept of irony may be lost on you.

[irocfan]

Guam said:

carinaman said:

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

Yep pinned some kind of cross on her, why does that sound the wrong way round

truth be told surprised the old hag didn't burst into flames at the 1st sign of a cross....

andymadmak said:

carinaman said:

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

Is that the same woman who wanted to remove some foster kids because the carers were UKIP voters?
So, in Rotherham, you can shag a 12 year old, torture her, douse her in petrol and share her like a bag of sweeties as much as you like, but don't you ever consider voting UKIP.
Local social services run by your local New Labour people eh?

yup that's the fking airthief

[heppers75]

Bill said:

Trying to blame this on "the community" is distracting from the massive failure of the authorities IMO.

I think you are missing the point. What has been said is that to a degree they have been complicit and to some people they could well have been as complicit by inaction as the 'authorities' by their inaction were - I am not sure I personally agree that it is an equal share of that portion of the blame around the inaction sense but it exists.

However that is just distraction based crap really as inaction by anyone, authoritative or not was not the cause of this. The real blame falls with the perpetrators themselves and in turn what made them what they are, to say otherwise kind of sticks in my throat a bit.

Where I think there must have been some sort of societal/community/demographic/educational or whatever word offends you the least breakdown and poor influence that leads to for want of a better word blame, is more about what made these men and made them groups of men, what they are.

There is no denying that these men are predominantly from one demographic, they are likely poorly formally educated, so their influences are not from mainstream education. They for the most part live within their own. They clearly do not have the same moral compass as others and as a group they have same failures. So it stands to reason their influences must have come from somewhere. Then if you think about it based on the sheer numbers of them that fall from within that one demographic and you consider that they are also disconnected geographically, logic dictates that in some way, shape or form the influences that led them on the path, failed to provide them with the moral compass, or whatever it might be that made them think these acts were acceptable or that these girls as less worthy than others must have come from somewhere. Then in turn that influence or teaching or failure must have been something that was present in all the disconnected places to create the same vile groups in multiple disconnected locations at separate times.

So honestly where do people think that breakdown occurred and what is that influence?

Or do some on here genuinely think it is just a monumental statistical coincidence that so many vile men with the same proclivities were essentially created from within one demographic? Or worse still it was not that they were bad people it is just they were given the chances to undertake vile acts without retribution due to inaction from many quarters so they did!?

[Bill]

gpo746 said:

Deflection post

Riiight.

[FiF]

andymadmak said:

carinaman said:

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

Is that the same woman who wanted to remove some foster kids because the carers were UKIP voters?
So, in Rotherham, you can shag a 12 year old, torture her, douse her in petrol and share her like a bag of sweeties as much as you like, but don't you ever consider voting UKIP.
Local social services run by your local New Labour people eh?

Yep that's the unpleasant face of social services. Joyce Thacker and what an unpleasant face it is.

[irocfan]

FiF said:

andymadmak said:

carinaman said:

irocfan said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

that fking hideous woman in charge of SS in Rotherham

Is that the one that was pictured on a newspaper cover getting her New Year's Honour Gong? Well more of a cross than a gong.

Is that the same woman who wanted to remove some foster kids because the carers were UKIP voters?
So, in Rotherham, you can shag a 12 year old, torture her, douse her in petrol and share her like a bag of sweeties as much as you like, but don't you ever consider voting UKIP.
Local social services run by your local New Labour people eh?

Yep that's the unpleasant face of social services. Joyce Thacker and what an unpleasant face it is.

you know I'll go out on a limb here and say IMO her actions are evil - she's happy to rip apart a good, happy family on the basis of an incorrect and bigoted political viewpoint but is unwilling to step in when children really are at risk from actual physical and mental harm.

[Mermaid]

irocfan said:

..you know I'll go out on a limb here and say IMO her actions are evil - she's happy to rip apart a good, happy family on the basis of an incorrect and bigoted political viewpoint but is unwilling to step in when children really are at risk from actual physical and mental harm.

So you think she likely to be promoted then?

[irocfan]

Mermaid said:

irocfan said:

..you know I'll go out on a limb here and say IMO her actions are evil - she's happy to rip apart a good, happy family on the basis of an incorrect and bigoted political viewpoint but is unwilling to step in when children really are at risk from actual physical and mental harm.

So you think she likely to be promoted then?

given labia's track record she's a cert

[chris watton]

Mermaid said:

irocfan said:

..you know I'll go out on a limb here and say IMO her actions are evil - she's happy to rip apart a good, happy family on the basis of an incorrect and bigoted political viewpoint but is unwilling to step in when children really are at risk from actual physical and mental harm.

So you think she likely to be promoted then?

Undoubtedly! And with a salary package that would make Avarice blush, I dare say - socialists/communists do seem to like their dosh and power over others....

[rich85uk]

heppers75 said:

So now Buckinghamshire...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-hert...

Most of those are from my home town, hearing that atleast 1 by law should of been deported a while back which is a shame to think that some of this could of been prevented

[Martin4x4]

On a similar theme watched this last night.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-gypsy-match...

[heppers75]

Martin4x4 said:

On a similar theme watched this last night.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-gypsy-match...

It is ok, you won't find any argument here about pursuing that community based on its ethnicity and beliefs system in an effort to eradicate that abuse, which is quite clearly one of the root causes for them to commit those crimes. Just don't you dare say you are going to apply the same logic elsewhere because that's racism/persecution/discrimination etc etc etc!

Edited by heppers75 on Friday 5th September 08:50