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Countdown said:
Transmitter Man said:
I have read your post twice just so I make sure I come up with a concrete answer.
"The teachings of the Prophet Mohammad."
Phil
If that's the case would you not expect to see similar behaviour in other countries which have muslim populations?"The teachings of the Prophet Mohammad."
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Monday 8th September 14:03
I believe it is A factor but I far far far from think it is the ONLY factor. I also fundamentally believe that whatever perversion of that particular faith those perpetrators are/would/could subscribe to or might choose to use as justification/reasoning/defence is exactly that, a perversion. In the same way the KKK are a perversion of Christianity and other far right and extremist persons/groups also do.
I think the biggest issue I personally as well as others have is that to mention it even in passing as having any relationship whatsoever brings out the cries of persecution and racism, followed by total disengagement in the discussion here and then sideways poking of fun and pisstaking in other threads about what has been said here!
Countdown said:
If that's the case would you not expect to see similar behaviour in other countries which have muslim populations?
Who is to say that is not the case as it has taken until now for it to be pointed out here. It could still be happening elsewhere and not taken seriously or even accepted as normal.voyds9 said:
Who is to say that is not the case as it has taken until now for it to be pointed out here. It could still be happening elsewhere and not taken seriously or even accepted as normal.
Rumours are that the "New Swedes" are rather fond of the "Old Swedes" in much the same way. Not much press coverage.Quite ^^^
Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
Transmitter Man said:
Hepper said;
There is no denying that these men are predominantly from one demographic, they are likely poorly formally educated, so their influences are not from mainstream education. They for the most part live within their own. They clearly do not have the same moral compass as others and as a group they have same failures. So it stands to reason their influences must have come from somewhere. Then if you think about it based on the sheer numbers of them that fall from within that one demographic and you consider that they are also disconnected geographically, logic dictates that in some way, shape or form the influences that led them on the path, failed to provide them with the moral compass, or whatever it might be that made them think these acts were acceptable or that these girls as less worthy than others must have come from somewhere. Then in turn that influence or teaching or failure must have been something that was present in all the disconnected places to create the same vile groups in multiple disconnected locations at separate times.
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I have read your post twice just so I make sure I come up with a concrete answer.
"The teachings of the Prophet Mohammad."
Phil
That answer reads 100% correct to me, it is the only common factor.There is no denying that these men are predominantly from one demographic, they are likely poorly formally educated, so their influences are not from mainstream education. They for the most part live within their own. They clearly do not have the same moral compass as others and as a group they have same failures. So it stands to reason their influences must have come from somewhere. Then if you think about it based on the sheer numbers of them that fall from within that one demographic and you consider that they are also disconnected geographically, logic dictates that in some way, shape or form the influences that led them on the path, failed to provide them with the moral compass, or whatever it might be that made them think these acts were acceptable or that these girls as less worthy than others must have come from somewhere. Then in turn that influence or teaching or failure must have been something that was present in all the disconnected places to create the same vile groups in multiple disconnected locations at separate times.
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I have read your post twice just so I make sure I come up with a concrete answer.
"The teachings of the Prophet Mohammad."
Phil
FiF said:
And how many more countries? Obviously the left cares greatly about the casualties as it fights to eliminate National identity in it's quest to turn the EU into one glorious socialist hole (sic). Not.
Still, it'll be free to leave if you don't like it.
Sorry, I meant free ice pick if you do leave.
voyds9 said:
Who is to say that is not the case as it has taken until now for it to be pointed out here. It could still be happening elsewhere and not taken seriously or even accepted as normal.
Like Australia? We all know about Sweden. I remember similar cases reported from plenty of other countriesThe notorious Sydney gang rapes in 2000 were committed by Lebanese Australians. Muslim men raped women and girls as young as 14. Australia, being a sensible sort of place, identified that the rapists were targeting white girls and branded these monstrous acts "racially-motivated hate crimes."
Australia
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/...
America
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/29-somali-...
Edited by Pesty on Monday 8th September 20:43
In the same way that me posting questions that those who don't want to acknowledge the issues causes...
Pesty - Providing actual evidence of a question asked won't really help.
A vast majority of the defenders have sidled off to somewhere that does not defame their beliefs and the mild moderates that remain will categorically never admit under any weight of evidence that their belief structure could ever form a part of this. It is so maniacally pathetic I cannot comprehend the utter stupidity of it.. I want to no more say that the fact that these guys are: -
Male
18-60 years old
Poorly educated
Insular lifestyle
Socio Economically disadvantaged
Poor societal influences
Drink and Drug culture exposure
Professions which provide exposure to potential victims
I also want to say they are Pakistani Muslim.. It is just as much a fact as the rest of the list...
But oh no you can't do that.... I mean come on you cannot even draw a f**king picture which takes a piss a bit without calling down a religious decree from the morons.
But it is ok, being ridiculously extremist is so very stupid!
Pesty - Providing actual evidence of a question asked won't really help.
A vast majority of the defenders have sidled off to somewhere that does not defame their beliefs and the mild moderates that remain will categorically never admit under any weight of evidence that their belief structure could ever form a part of this. It is so maniacally pathetic I cannot comprehend the utter stupidity of it.. I want to no more say that the fact that these guys are: -
Male
18-60 years old
Poorly educated
Insular lifestyle
Socio Economically disadvantaged
Poor societal influences
Drink and Drug culture exposure
Professions which provide exposure to potential victims
I also want to say they are Pakistani Muslim.. It is just as much a fact as the rest of the list...
But oh no you can't do that.... I mean come on you cannot even draw a f**king picture which takes a piss a bit without calling down a religious decree from the morons.
But it is ok, being ridiculously extremist is so very stupid!
Digga said:
simes43 said:
All agreed, in fact this abuse case has now offered a whole new set of reasons why a voter should look for something new. My argument here is that unless the community is publicly seen to be addressing the problem as well, then the voters have even more reason to listen to people who offer to sort out this type of behaviour.
Rotherham has confirmed what many people knew already.
And worse.Rotherham has confirmed what many people knew already.
Wasn't so long back I was accused on here of being a tinfoil hatter because of my mistrust of Common Purpose.
HonestIago said:
Digga said:
And worse.
Wasn't so long back I was accused on here of being a tinfoil hatter because of my mistrust of Common Purpose.
Common Purpose are especially dangerous because they are so under the radar. Their modus operandi is to essentially take over at community level once we reach the "post-democratic" age, which is the goal of the EU. If that doesn't get people worried I don't know what will. I'll happily join you as a tinfoil hatter! Wasn't so long back I was accused on here of being a tinfoil hatter because of my mistrust of Common Purpose.
si-h said:
Not sure if this has been posted before.
In the Liverpool Echo, more gangs.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
In the Liverpool Echo, more gangs.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...
grumbledoak said:
FiF said:
And how many more countries? Obviously the left cares greatly about the casualties as it fights to eliminate National identity in it's quest to turn the EU into one glorious socialist hole (sic). Not.
Still, it'll be free to leave if you don't like it.
Sorry, I meant free ice pick if you do leave.
Please see the link below referring to something in the Liverpool Echo from 2010:
http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/more-th...
So that would seem to be about a Common Purpose person running a Youth Enquiry Service fiddling with kids. I am not sure how that compares to Risky Business, the Youth Enquiry Service in Rotherham being raided and files about organised child sexual abuse being taken.
I am not sure about Risky Business as a title. It sounds more of a nightmare than a Tangerine Dream and despite anything Keith Vaz MP may get out of those two holders of the Queen's Police Medal, David Crompton and Meredydd John Hughes this afternoon at Portcullis House I know we won't see any of the Great and the Good going down like a 928 parked on a rotten wooden wharf.
Let's hope Vaz resists the temptation to steal the show this afternoon, like he's Tom Cruise or the Porsche 928, allowing those self serving public sector 'servants' to get off of the hook. Again.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 9th September 05:03
FiF said:
Arrests in Rotherham this morning. Too little too late boys.
No doubt the questioning at the House of Commons will be its usual amateurish self.
My comments about whether Vaz will deliver anything useful this afternoon was inspired by these:No doubt the questioning at the House of Commons will be its usual amateurish self.
La Liga said:
Yes, they can and have commented on it, but asking the CC to speculate over one alleged inappropriate instant that stands out to one MP is absolutely pointless.
snip.....(you can check the thread).
It pains me as I think having a panel who can call senior public figures to account is an excellent thing, but not when it was done like yesterday.
from this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...snip.....(you can check the thread).
It pains me as I think having a panel who can call senior public figures to account is an excellent thing, but not when it was done like yesterday.
The two most recent comments by Rothpol and Sid An on this webpage:
https://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2014/09/05...
FiF said:
Arrests in Rotherham this morning. Too little too late boys.
No doubt the questioning at the House of Commons will be its usual amateurish self.
Of course the timing of those raids has nothing to do with having something for the Great and the Good to use this afternoon to help excuse themselves and of course isn't anything to do with shifting the spotlight, just like the raid on Cliff Richard's place in Royal Berkshire may not have.No doubt the questioning at the House of Commons will be its usual amateurish self.
Thanks for linking that Rothpol thread carinaman.
Vaz and the rest always let them off the hook or fail to get to the truth due to grandstanding and lack of forensic ability. To be fair to Vaz, although it sticks in my craw, the same muppetry can be seen of most politicians of all parties in most countries.
Just one further thing from that thread. Joyce Thacker OBE. She should be publicly stripped of that honour.
Vaz and the rest always let them off the hook or fail to get to the truth due to grandstanding and lack of forensic ability. To be fair to Vaz, although it sticks in my craw, the same muppetry can be seen of most politicians of all parties in most countries.
Just one further thing from that thread. Joyce Thacker OBE. She should be publicly stripped of that honour.
FiF said:
Thanks for linking that Rothpol thread carinaman.
+1 It does not pain a pretty picture of the situation.The Liverpool echo might be sufficiently outside of Common Purpose's sphere of general influence to print that piece. I wonder if any mainstream media will have the cojones to go digging into the muck pile?
Digga said:
FiF said:
Thanks for linking that Rothpol thread carinaman.
+1 It does not pain a pretty picture of the situation. What is saddening is if you look through that Rothpol blog there was at least one comment about the sexual abuse of kids from an independent PCC candidate that was aware of the problem. But what did Labour do? Get behind the Councillor that was part of the problem while they were at the Council. That could be one reason why Vaz won't stick the well deserved boot in this afternoon.
It's not about the small people. Or their smaller children. It's about the big fish getting away with it with as much money in the bank as possible.
Digga said:
The Liverpool echo might be sufficiently outside of Common Purpose's sphere of general influence to print that piece. I wonder if any mainstream media will have the cojones to go digging into the muck pile?
I've only recently, in the last week or so, become aware of Common Purpose possibly via a comment on a local newspaper website, but searching this morning to see if a recent story of public sector corruption could be Common Purpose, I saw comments on a local newspaper website about comments being removed as they went against the Common Purpose 'friends' of that newspaper.Your comment about the Liverpool Echo gives some hope that there could be some newspapers out there that are happy to run with the truth and not be intimidated.
Any organisation that has power - albeit in this case by proxy - without accountability or even visibility to the public is very dangerous and anti-democratic. It is almost inevitable that, in some way or another, this sort of organisation will, at some point, become a haven for fraud, corruption and criminal activities.
FiF said:
Quite ^^^
Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
an interesting article for sure - but how much of it is tinfoil-hattery? Is this also the same publication that Anders Brevers was such a big fan of, in which case we must surely question the motives behind it? With both the 2 above points having been made in the interests of balance it must also be said that IF Sweden is as corrupt as is alleged a muck smearing exercise is a forgone conclusion Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
irocfan said:
an interesting article for sure - but how much of it is tinfoil-hattery? Is this also the same publication that Anders Brevers was such a big fan of, in which case we must surely question the motives behind it? With both the 2 above points having been made in the interests of balance it must also be said that IF Sweden is as corrupt as is alleged a muck smearing exercise is a forgone conclusion
I thought of Anders Brevers too.But what's gone on in Rotherham and the cover up isn't tinfoil hattedness is it? And it's never been known for those types to bully and smear has it?
The chances of seeing any of the Great and the Good that presided over and sanctioned what was going on in Rotherham for years being imprisoned like Anders Breven are something approximate to nil.
Kids in Rotherham have just been raped and at least one doused in petrol, but not killed or shot as far as we know. Is shooting too good for some of the Great and Good in Rotherham? In the scheme of things would it matter if some of them ceased to draw breath?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 9th September 10:08
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