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I think the issue here is that there are plenty of examples across society where people who are in positions of trust are required to display exemplary standards of behaviour related to that trust. If they do not, either due to incompetence or particularly deliberately inappropriate actions, then they are typically held to higher standards and consequences than a member of the public.
Would you lose your job for bonking an 17 year old? If a teacher and the person were a pupil at the school then the consequences would be severe.
The problem arises in this case is that the public sees civil servants / officials behaving appallingly, sometimes simply incompetence, sometimes corrupt and worse. Yet don't see these people suffering any real consequences apart from at worst a sideways move on the quiet, or a pensioning off with a payoff that the MoP could only dream of. Both public and private sectors.
Yet the MoP thinks if I was as bad at my job as that I'd be through the door.
On a completely different line does anyone else look at the picture of Thacker and think Hindley.
Would you lose your job for bonking an 17 year old? If a teacher and the person were a pupil at the school then the consequences would be severe.
The problem arises in this case is that the public sees civil servants / officials behaving appallingly, sometimes simply incompetence, sometimes corrupt and worse. Yet don't see these people suffering any real consequences apart from at worst a sideways move on the quiet, or a pensioning off with a payoff that the MoP could only dream of. Both public and private sectors.
Yet the MoP thinks if I was as bad at my job as that I'd be through the door.
On a completely different line does anyone else look at the picture of Thacker and think Hindley.
FiF said:
I think the issue here is that there are plenty of examples across society where people who are in positions of trust are required to display exemplary standards of behaviour related to that trust. If they do not, either due to incompetence or particularly deliberately inappropriate actions, then they are typically held to higher standards and consequences than a member of the public.
Would you lose your job for bonking an 17 year old? If a teacher and the person were a pupil at the school then the consequences would be severe.
The problem arises in this case is that the public sees civil servants / officials behaving appallingly, sometimes simply incompetence, sometimes corrupt and worse. Yet don't see these people suffering any real consequences apart from at worst a sideways move on the quiet, or a pensioning off with a payoff that the MoP could only dream of. Both public and private sectors.
Yet the MoP thinks if I was as bad at my job as that I'd be through the door.
On a completely different line does anyone else look at the picture of Thacker and think Hindley.
+1.Would you lose your job for bonking an 17 year old? If a teacher and the person were a pupil at the school then the consequences would be severe.
The problem arises in this case is that the public sees civil servants / officials behaving appallingly, sometimes simply incompetence, sometimes corrupt and worse. Yet don't see these people suffering any real consequences apart from at worst a sideways move on the quiet, or a pensioning off with a payoff that the MoP could only dream of. Both public and private sectors.
Yet the MoP thinks if I was as bad at my job as that I'd be through the door.
On a completely different line does anyone else look at the picture of Thacker and think Hindley.
The Guardian said:
The Conservative MP Nicola Blackwood said the committee had heard evidence in private from the Home Office researcher that her 2002 report had been greeted with hostility by South Yorkshire police. She said they had heard evidence that the researcher had been contacted by two officers who threatened to pass her name to the groomers in Rotherham and she had been left in fear of her life.
WTFBF is going on? I can't take no more.
25NAD90TUL said:
The Guardian said:
The Conservative MP Nicola Blackwood said the committee had heard evidence in private from the Home Office researcher that her 2002 report had been greeted with hostility by South Yorkshire police. She said they had heard evidence that the researcher had been contacted by two officers who threatened to pass her name to the groomers in Rotherham and she had been left in fear of her life.
WTFBF is going on? I can't take no more.
FiF said:
Yes it would be the same apparently.
Not sure what WTFBF stands for but taking a guess:- then +1.
I am ashamed of SYP. If this is true utterly ashamed and embarrassed.
Having seen the performance of the SYP 'leaders' in front of Vaz et al the other day, nothing would surprise me. The sheer brass neck ineptitude on display was truly depressing. It's not difficult to see how a misguided and ineffective culture permeates an organisation under such leadership.Not sure what WTFBF stands for but taking a guess:- then +1.
I am ashamed of SYP. If this is true utterly ashamed and embarrassed.
It gets worse.
If you'd read a report like that a few weeks back with all geographic references removed, you'd be angry, but not surprised that it might be going on say, in parts of the third world, but here!? It is utterly abhorrent.
As I keep saying, there is more behind the actions of the individuals and their organisations than is currently admitted. Who has influenced them?
If you'd read a report like that a few weeks back with all geographic references removed, you'd be angry, but not surprised that it might be going on say, in parts of the third world, but here!? It is utterly abhorrent.
As I keep saying, there is more behind the actions of the individuals and their organisations than is currently admitted. Who has influenced them?
MrCarPark said:
Having seen the performance of the SYP 'leaders' in front of Vaz et al the other day, nothing would surprise me. The sheer brass neck ineptitude on display was truly depressing. It's not difficult to see how a misguided and ineffective culture permeates an organisation under such leadership.
well when Keith Vaz is one of the less repulsive people in a room you know that you've got problems 
heppers75 said:
Just wow....
That is pretty f**ked up!
For the record and in my oh so humble opinion, you're a moron. Those that are complicit and conceal to protect themselves or their position are scorn worthy and indeed should be punished to the point of incarceration. To say they are on a par with the perpetrators of the acts themselves, just wow that is a very f**ked up perspective!
I don't agree. The degree of incompetence by all authorities is so staggering that it beggars belief that it was just 'incompetence'.That is pretty f**ked up!
For the record and in my oh so humble opinion, you're a moron. Those that are complicit and conceal to protect themselves or their position are scorn worthy and indeed should be punished to the point of incarceration. To say they are on a par with the perpetrators of the acts themselves, just wow that is a very f**ked up perspective!
I don't believe that the clothing and report after report after report went missing or were lost. That degree of ineptitude can't be possible.
There has to be a degree of complicity, or compliance or collusion going on here. There has to be.
We need names. We need to know the name of the person who said "you must never ever say that agin" and then sent the employee on a mumbo-jumbo course. We need the name of the person who said an 11 year old was complicit in having sex.
We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
Knowing how bribes are commonplace among Pakistanis (having worked in Birmingham for many years) it must be hard to believe that members of the SYP and local government weren't 'on the take'
I find it almost impossible to comprehend that SYP now has any credibility left - their complicity is beyond disgusting
heebeegeetee said:
We need names. We need to know the name of the person who said "you must never ever say that agin" and then sent the employee on a mumbo-jumbo course. We need the name of the person who said an 11 year old was complicit in having sex.
We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
I completely agree. This was not incompetence. These people in authority were complicit in horrific crimes against children.We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
grumbledoak said:
heebeegeetee said:
We need names. We need to know the name of the person who said "you must never ever say that agin" and then sent the employee on a mumbo-jumbo course. We need the name of the person who said an 11 year old was complicit in having sex.
We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
I completely agree. This was not incompetence. These people in authority were complicit in horrific crimes against children.We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
Everyone involved, especially the one's charged with the role of protecting them should be punished - at the very least thrown out of their jobs without extra pay and lose their pension rights. They have betrayed the people they were put in place to protect.
grumbledoak said:
heebeegeetee said:
We need names. We need to know the name of the person who said "you must never ever say that agin" and then sent the employee on a mumbo-jumbo course. We need the name of the person who said an 11 year old was complicit in having sex.
We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
I completely agree. This was not incompetence. These people in authority were complicit in horrific crimes against children.We need the names of the people who are just as responsible for the rape and torture and beatings of 1400 girls.
TBH you couldn't make this stuff up.
Personally I don't know what can be done about this, it seems the corruption or whatever the causes are so deeply embedded right across the board.
Something needs to be done for sure, but what exactly?
Guam said:
I think we are heading towards new Legislation to preclude people in public office acting in this manner, unless in the opinion of the legal Beagles they think existing laws cover this kind of behaviour?
Whether it be the robustness of the Unions legal representation for these poor excuses for public employees, or the lack of will to actually tackle the problem within the legal system, the present situation appears to leave a lot to be desired in terms of the sorts of people remaining in office, or being switched to equally cushy roles, whilst being clearly implicated in incompetent, negligent or even criminal behaviour.25NAD90TUL said:
I see the points.
But these people are CURRENTLY not meant to act in that way!
They love their pay, perks and lifestyle from the public purse above all else. Nothing will change. If it does, it will merely be window dressing.But these people are CURRENTLY not meant to act in that way!
Nothing short of a revolution would be required, and as that's never going to happen, we're stuck with these useless and dangerous parasites. IMOHO.
chris watton said:
They love their pay, perks and lifestyle from the public purse above all else. Nothing will change. If it does, it will merely be window dressing.
Nothing short of a revolution would be required, and as that's never going to happen, we're stuck with these useless and dangerous parasites. IMOHO.
It does seem that way.Nothing short of a revolution would be required, and as that's never going to happen, we're stuck with these useless and dangerous parasites. IMOHO.
Heartbreaking isn't it!
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