another abuse gang

[simes43]

What is also needed is a clear message to the communities involved that
they are not above the law and will be tracked down and severely delt with
under British law.

Empowering the police and authorities to ignore what has gone before and to
retake control, come what may, will allow other districts to address the problem
too.

A victim support process, regardless of race or culture should be in place to
offer safe harbour from the culture, oppression and risk.

British and Pakistani authorities should work closely together to avoid children
being flown out of the UK to be taught a lesson (or worse) and the adult monitored
and profiled. Taking flight should not be an option.

Additionally the culture needs to publicly aligns itself with British values and
law going forward. A bit of IS window dressing won't do.

[25NAD90TUL]

simes43 said:

What is also needed is a clear message to the communities involved that
they are not above the law and will be tracked down and severely delt with
under British law.

What?

Lie to them you mean?

[simes43]

25NAD90TUL said:

simes43 said:

What is also needed is a clear message to the communities involved that
they are not above the law and will be tracked down and severely delt with
under British law.

What?

Lie to them you mean?

Sadly it does feel like that.

[Digga]

25NAD90TUL said:

simes43 said:

What is also needed is a clear message to the communities involved that
they are not above the law and will be tracked down and severely delt with
under British law.

What?

Lie to them you mean?

And none of what simes43 suggests would throw any light on who the masterminds are behind the brainwashing and influencing the public sector bodies involved. Do we just let these people escape scrutiny or punishment? How can we be sure they will not do similar in future?

[FiF]

Guam said:

25NAD90TUL said:

Agree on both these points.

TBH you couldn't make this stuff up.

Personally I don't know what can be done about this, it seems the corruption or whatever the causes are so deeply embedded right across the board.

Something needs to be done for sure, but what exactly?

I think we are heading towards new Legislation to preclude people in public office acting in this manner, unless in the opinion of the legal Beagles they think existing laws cover this kind of behaviour?

When I am king there will be the "WTF/That's just taking the piss" law enacted to deal with stuff.

[25NAD90TUL]

FiF said:

When I am king there will be the "WTF/That's just taking the piss" law enacted to deal with stuff.

Agree.

To me all these things and associated stuff about the MPs' scandals and that just underline the point that they collectively, don't give two fks what we the general population think.

[carinaman]

Mr_B said:

25NAD90TUL said:

The Guardian said:

The Conservative MP Nicola Blackwood said the committee had heard evidence in private from the Home Office researcher that her 2002 report had been greeted with hostility by South Yorkshire police. She said they had heard evidence that the researcher had been contacted by two officers who threatened to pass her name to the groomers in Rotherham and she had been left in fear of her life.

WTFBF is going on? I can't take no more.

That wouldn't be the same Home Office bod that was sent on a cultural awareness course when she submitted her findings and pointed out the disproportionate number of Pakistani heritage men involved ?

It seems that those supporting child sex abuse victim Melanie Shaw 'detained' in HMP Peterborough may have been threatened too.

I am not sure where that sits with Wavy Dave saying he wants to make it an offence not to report child abuse, or Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill? Though the Modern Slavery Bill may be about setting a standard to the rest of the world rather than actually doing anything about it.

[Digga]

carinaman said:

I am not sure where that sits with Wavy Dave saying he wants to make it an offence not to report child abuse, or Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill? Though the Modern Slavery Bill may be about setting a standard to the rest of the world rather than actually doing anything about it.

Our government seems to be getting pretty adept at turning a blind eye to things that we criticise the Third World for happening in our own country:

• electoral corruption
• slavery
• medieval equality
• FMGM
• rape gangs

[simes43]

Digga said:

carinaman said:

I am not sure where that sits with Wavy Dave saying he wants to make it an offence not to report child abuse, or Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill? Though the Modern Slavery Bill may be about setting a standard to the rest of the world rather than actually doing anything about it.

Our government seems to be getting pretty adept at turning a blind eye to things that we criticise the Third World for happening in our own country:

• electoral corruption
• slavery
• medieval equality
• FMGM
• rape gangs

A member of the debating society will be along in a minute to answer all of your questions and then ask you what you are doing about it.

Leaving shariah law off the list will also be seen to be a sign that you agree with it.

[Digga]

simes43 said:

Leaving shariah law off the list will also be seen to be a sign that you agree with it.

I thought the 'medieval' bit covered that? How about;

• extremism

[carinaman]

PCC Shaun Wright is/was a Magistrate?

[Digga]

carinaman said:

PCC Shaun Wright is/was a Magistrate?

Does not surprise me one bit.

If you observe the 'great and good' of any community, it is incredibly incestuous. Nopotism and cronyism are rife. Look at the developers who get that major development land and planning permissions as another example. And people on RDAs and local Chambers of Commerce.

[simes43]

Digga said:

simes43 said:

Leaving shariah law off the list will also be seen to be a sign that you agree with it.

I thought the 'medieval' bit covered that? How about;

• extremism

Best not to leave any wiggle room.

• extremism
• shariah law

[25NAD90TUL]

Straight answer to all the above, simple.

Outlaw Islam. Sorted!

Then get all those bent s out of the police, politics, social servs, clean sweep.

If the Moslems don't want to live in Britain under that law, easy fk off to Afghanistan, loads of land available there.

Racist? Religion-ist?

I'm sure the abuse victims and their families would consider it Humanitarian.

Edited by 25NAD90TUL on Friday 12th September 13:04

[Digga]

25NAD90TUL said:

Then get all those bent s out of the police, politics, social servs, clean sweep.

What, and leave Common Purpose and the like untouched, so they can carry on pulling the strings from behind the scenes?

You can only solve a problem by dealing with the root cause. Tackling the symptoms is only part of the solution.

[MrCarPark]

An interesting interview with Samantha Morton who is claiming that she knows that there are abusers at the very top of Social Services:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/video/2014/sep/...

[carinaman]

MrCarPark said:

An interesting interview with Samantha Morton who is claiming that she knows that there are abusers at the very top of Social Services:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/video/2014/sep/...

Interesting given the way court proceedings about the detention of Melanie Shaw in Notts. has been reported. If that's true that would go against the 'seek help' message at the end of that video.

[Pesty]

Possibly 60 more victims in Liverpool raped by Pakistani men, again ignored.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

Police are investigating new claims that gangs of Asian men abused vulnerable under-age girls on Merseyside.

Allegations of grooming, beatings and sex attacks by a paedophile ring are centred on St Helens, Accrington and Preston.

They follow similar scandals in Rochdale and Rotherham.

[Mermaid]

And there will be more. And high probability it will be men of Pakistani origin.

[andymc]

Yes but its not the abuser's fault, its the loose morals of the white girls