another abuse gang

[edh]

Not easy to blame the "Asians" for these "abuse gangs"

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5389/justin-welb...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5398/ex-mi6-chie...

As Suzanne Moore wrote in the Guardian a month or two back, this all happens because the victims are viewed as worthless, so no-one cares about stopping or prosecuting the abuse.

[andymadmak]

edh said:

Not easy to blame the "Asians" for these "abuse gangs"

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5389/justin-welb...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5398/ex-mi6-chie...

As Suzanne Moore wrote in the Guardian a month or two back, this all happens because the victims are viewed as worthless, so no-one cares about stopping or prosecuting the abuse.

Nobody said that Pakistani men are the only abusers in the land. Your standard and boringly predictable diversion tactics are useless here.

[Mermaid]

edh said:

Not easy to blame the "Asians" for these "abuse gangs"

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5389/justin-welb...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5398/ex-mi6-chie...

As Suzanne Moore wrote in the Guardian a month or two back, this all happens because the victims are viewed as worthless, so no-one cares about stopping or prosecuting the abuse.

But majority Pakistani men, don't you think?

[edh]

Mermaid said:

edh said:

Not easy to blame the "Asians" for these "abuse gangs"

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5389/justin-welb...

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5398/ex-mi6-chie...

As Suzanne Moore wrote in the Guardian a month or two back, this all happens because the victims are viewed as worthless, so no-one cares about stopping or prosecuting the abuse.

But majority Pakistani men, don't you think?

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

I'd rather we fix the problem of child abuse rather than fixate on one group of abusers to the exclusion of others. Police forces across the UK should be making this a priority. Social Workers should be supported when they report these cases. Politicians shouldn't ignore it.

[Mermaid]

edh said:

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

You are rip van winkle

[andymadmak]

edh said:

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

Yes there are figures to support this. Pakistani males are significantly over represented in child abuse figures... and thats before even they've started to prosecute those being identified at last today. But I suspect you know this already. Just more diversionary bks from you imho.

edh said:

I'd rather we fix the problem of child abuse rather than fixate on one group of abusers to the exclusion of others. Police forces across the UK should be making this a priority. Social Workers should be supported when they report these cases. Politicians shouldn't ignore it.

Yeah yeah. Of course we should. Let's just not point to any possible cultural causes eh? Might put a particular group under the spotlight and call into question the merits of uncontrolled immigration from the third world, and we would not want that as it contradicts party policy. And yeah, lets support the Police and Social workers - those would be the same public sector workers who (with few notable exceptions) have been turning a blind eye to this sort of behaviour for decades - all in the name of party political advantage, oops sorry I meant social cohesion, you understand

[gpo746]

andymadmak said:

edh said:

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

Yes there are figures to support this. Pakistani males are significantly over represented in child abuse figures... and thats before even they've started to prosecute those being identified at last today. But I suspect you know this already. Just more diversionary bks from you imho.

edh said:

I'd rather we fix the problem of child abuse rather than fixate on one group of abusers to the exclusion of others. Police forces across the UK should be making this a priority. Social Workers should be supported when they report these cases. Politicians shouldn't ignore it.

Yeah yeah. Of course we should. Let's just not point to any possible cultural causes eh? Might put a particular group under the spotlight and call into question the merits of uncontrolled immigration from the third world, and we would not want that as it contradicts party policy. And yeah, lets support the Police and Social workers - those would be the same public sector workers who (with few notable exceptions) have been turning a blind eye to this sort of behaviour for decades - all in the name of party political advantage, oops sorry I meant social cohesion, you understand

+1
Call it for what it is. A group of men of a muslim background using and abusing children.

[edh]

andymadmak said:

edh said:

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

Yes there are figures to support this. Pakistani males are significantly over represented in child abuse figures... and thats before even they've started to prosecute those being identified at last today. But I suspect you know this already. Just more diversionary bks from you imho.

edh said:

I'd rather we fix the problem of child abuse rather than fixate on one group of abusers to the exclusion of others. Police forces across the UK should be making this a priority. Social Workers should be supported when they report these cases. Politicians shouldn't ignore it.

Yeah yeah. Of course we should. Let's just not point to any possible cultural causes eh? Might put a particular group under the spotlight and call into question the merits of uncontrolled immigration from the third world, and we would not want that as it contradicts party policy. And yeah, lets support the Police and Social workers - those would be the same public sector workers who (with few notable exceptions) have been turning a blind eye to this sort of behaviour for decades - all in the name of party political advantage, oops sorry I meant social cohesion, you understand

Rubbish. Do you really believe the Labour party has been using the police as a social tool for the last 40 years? Does the Hillsborough enquiry teach you nothing about how the police works, and how it judges who should be protected by the law? (and at times the primary aim is to protect the police force - witness their neat sidestep & off the record briefings in the baby P case.) No doubt they took their lead from the top who were not at all keen on investigating and prosecuting abuse in the 70's, 80's and 90's. society has judged that these kids don't matter and this has let criminals get away with years of abuse.

Yes there's a problem of child abuse in the asian community, both asian & non-asian kids. Blaming "uncontrolled immigration" (which I suspect you know is untrue) doesn't help us fix it. If anything it's a diversion. I see no problem in citing culpability of the mosques and religious / community leaders in failing to stop this. There is evidently a problem with attitudes among some muslims that leads to the sexual abuse of kids and that is just wrong.

btw "over represented" does not equal "majority" so don't confuse or conflate the two. I bet you'd find taxi drivers were "over represented" too. That's probably another correlation.

[andymc]

Absolute tosh, the whole country knows Pakistani immigrants view white girls as fare game

[eldar]

andymc said:

Absolute tosh, the whole country knows Pakistani immigrants view white girls as fare game

Taxi drivers, huh. Very witty

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[andymadmak]

edh said:

Rubbish. Do you really believe the Labour party has been using the police as a social tool for the last 40 years?

Yes, actually, I do. The Labour party of the last 40 years has been hell bent on gerrymandering the vote in the country to ensure that they hold on to power as much as possible.

Postal vote fraud? - almost exclusively associated with the Labour Party

The inequality of constituencies - thank the Labour party for that (and most recently the Lib Dems)

The use of the R card to suppress any debate on immigration and multiculturalism - a solid Labour party (and left wing) tactic

The use of local authority workers to promote party political agenda at the expense of local tax payers - chalk another one up to the guys with the red rosettes.

Police and Social workers operated in an environment of super sensitivity to Political Correctness. To have your PC credentials questioned represented the kiss of death to your career, so they kept silent about what was happening. Yes the scum did the abusing, but their activities were enabled in part by the culture that the Labour Party fostered. And why did they foster that culture? Well aside from wanting to "rub the right wings nose in multiculturalism " it was because they believed that immigrants were more likely to vote for them. Simple as that. Getting elected meant bringing in more people to vote for you. Of course people would protest, so you simply branded them as racist and concentrated instead on "economic benefits".

Here's what one senior labour advisor confessed to just a few years ago:

daily telegraph article but you could find it in any number of sources said:

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.
Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.

So you see, your Labour chums helped to create this problem simply for party political gain. That it was a nasty but unintended consequence of their gerrymandering is clear, but even when exposed to the truth of the matter they still persisted in their arguments instead of doing everything they could to protect the children.

[kowalski655]

edh said:

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.... I bet you'd find taxi drivers were "over represented" too. That's probably another correlation.

But that will be due to the preferred employment of that other demographic,along with kebab shop owner! And taxi drivers as a whole don't have a holy book that they claim to support child abuse...unless the Rotherham A-Z has some VERY odd extra pages!

[carinaman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04nqs42

Radio 4 interview with the Labour replacement PCC for Shaun Wright 12 minutes in. He mentions the 'Most sexual abuse against children is within the family' line that Manchester MP Koffey and the ACPO expert that's the Chief Constable of Norfolk used.

[kowalski655]

Well if that is the case, then given the scale of CSE outside the family, the real numbers must be terrifyingly huge

And that doesnt give a green light to cops/social services to ignore ANY of it

[goldblum]

carinaman said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04nqs42

Radio 4 interview with the Labour replacement PCC for Shaun Wright 12 minutes in. He mentions the 'Most sexual abuse against children is within the family' line that Manchester MP Koffey and the ACPO expert that's the Chief Constable of Norfolk used.

Not in the last few years in Bradford apparently. Probably a few other places as well. Funny thing is it's quite well known up here (Manchester) that certain, ah sections of society - that may or may not consist of a number of Pakistani immigrants - have a penchant for white trash schoolies.

[Mermaid]

goldblum said:

Not in the last few years in Bradford apparently. Probably a few other places as well. Funny thing is it's quite well known up here (Manchester) that certain, ah sections of society - that may or may not consist of a number of Pakistani immigrants - have a penchant for white trash schoolies.

Once the elections are over, and if we have a majority Tory government, then we are likely to have a concerted effort to resolve this.

[andymc]

Mermaid said:

goldblum said:

Not in the last few years in Bradford apparently. Probably a few other places as well. Funny thing is it's quite well known up here (Manchester) that certain, ah sections of society - that may or may not consist of a number of Pakistani immigrants - have a penchant for white trash schoolies.

Once the elections are over, and if we have a majority Tory government, then we are likely to have a concerted effort to resolve this.

and the postal voting fraud and VAT swindling along with the F.G.M

[smegmore]

edh said:

No - and that's the problem with this thread. Are there figures to support this?

I'd rather we fix the problem of child abuse rather than fixate on one group of abusers to the exclusion of others. Police forces across the UK should be making this a priority. Social Workers should be supported when they report these cases. Politicians shouldn't ignore it.

"Strong in this one, the diversity is".

[edh]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No denial from me. Don't try and paint me as an apologist for anyone who commits child abuse, or anyone who fails to investigate and prosecute.