another abuse gang

[dudleybloke]

Oi judge.....
Jail the nonces not the victims you fking moron.

[TTwiggy]

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

[dudleybloke]

TTwiggy said:

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

But if her abusers are all behind bars it would make it a bit difficult for her.
And probably save a few more girls too.

But logic is out the window these days.

[jogon]

TTwiggy said:

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

What is this chilling evidence mentioned? Let me guess it was all her fault flirting herself around wearing those provocative western clothes. These girls don't run back because they like halal sausage it's the drugs these vile bds get them hooked on.

[TTwiggy]

dudleybloke said:

TTwiggy said:

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

But if her abusers are all behind bars it would make it a bit difficult for her.
And probably save a few more girls too.

But logic is out the window these days.

In the absence of evidence and/or a complaint from the victim, securing a conviction might be difficult.

[TTwiggy]

jogon said:

TTwiggy said:

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

What is this chilling evidence mentioned? Let me guess it was all her fault flirting herself around wearing those provocative western clothes. These girls don't run back because they like halal sausage it's the drugs these vile bds get them hooked on.

To pick up on one aspect of what you've said there: in the long history of illegal drug use, nobody has ever had to 'push' anything on anyone, or get anybody 'hooked'. Real life is not like the storyline of a teen soap opera.

[pad58]

Scared stless to jail these people , lengthy and expensive.

I don't think for one minute that the perps will stop, if it's not this girl it will be another.

[jogon]

TTwiggy said:

jogon said:

TTwiggy said:

Reading between the lines of that judgement it would seem that the suggestion is that if the girl were at liberty, she would return to her abusers (the reasons for this are unlikely to be straightforward). Some people really do need to be protected from themselves.

What is this chilling evidence mentioned? Let me guess it was all her fault flirting herself around wearing those provocative western clothes. These girls don't run back because they like halal sausage it's the drugs these vile bds get them hooked on.

To pick up on one aspect of what you've said there: in the long history of illegal drug use, nobody has ever had to 'push' anything on anyone, or get anybody 'hooked'. Real life is not like the storyline of a teen soap opera.

Did you grow up wrapped in cotton wool? These gangs use a younger member to lure the girls in to a false relationship they then start offering them alcohol, weed and then progress to harder more addictive drugs. Then once under suitable enough control via their addictions that is when the abuse starts. Did you read any of the reports on Rotherham?

How do you think these soap drama's get their stories? Fiction.. Funny when Eastenders ran a similar story to the grooming gang with Whitney a few years ago it was a white man they used.

Edited by jogon on Friday 27th February 17:14

[mjb1]

jogon said:

Anyone remember this one from 2007 in Blackpool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552482/Mis...

and the subsequent failure by police which led to the trial collapsing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220815/Po...

Still going on today folks.

And they got £250k each in compensation for the failed retrial. I accept innocent until proven guilty, but that's just unbelievable.

[TTwiggy]

jogon said:

Did you grow up wrapped in cotton wool? These gangs use a younger member to lure the girls in to a false relationship they then start offering them alcohol, weed and then progress to harder more addictive drugs. Then once under suitable enough control via their addictions that is when the abuse starts. Did you read any of the reports on Rotherham?

How do you think these soap drama's get their stories? Fiction.. Funny when Eastenders ran a similar story to the grooming gang with Whitney a few years ago it was a white man they used.

Edited by jogon on Friday 27th February 17:14

I see it hasn't taken long for the ad homs to start. No, I grew up in the real would. I'll repeat: nobody has ever had to 'force' recreational drugs on anybody else.

[jogon]

TTwiggy said:

I see it hasn't taken long for the ad homs to start. No, I grew up in the real would. I'll repeat: nobody has ever had to 'force' recreational drugs on anybody else.

These young girls are mostly from troubled families quite a few in care and are targeted for this very reason. These animals take advantage showerong them with gifts, they become infatuated and very impressionable, it is called grooming and it is illegal. This is before they then share them around there family members, friends and others willing to pay so they achieve a profit on their initial investment. Are you not aware of this concept or do you insist it is the girls fault for taking the drugs?

[eldar]

TTwiggy said:

I see it hasn't taken long for the ad homs to start. No, I grew up in the real would. I'll repeat: nobody has ever had to 'force' recreational drugs on anybody else.

Depends how you define 'force'. Look at cigarette/alcohol advertising and how it has changed over the years.

[WinstonWolf]

eldar said:

TTwiggy said:

I see it hasn't taken long for the ad homs to start. No, I grew up in the real would. I'll repeat: nobody has ever had to 'force' recreational drugs on anybody else.

Depends how you define 'force'. Look at cigarette/alcohol advertising and how it has changed over the years.

Most cigarette smokers start due to peer pressure.

[Alpinestars]

WinstonWolf said:

Most cigarette smokers start due to peer pressure.

Do most Jihadist girls go to Syria due to peer pressure, grooming, or because it's their parents' or their communities' fault?

[don4l]

Alpinestars said:

Do most Jihadist girls go to Syria due to peer pressure, grooming, or because it's their parents' or their communities' fault?

Good question.

I suspect that it is a combination of all these factors. Many parents won't allow their daughters to socialise outside their own community. They never get exposed to western values and therefore it is not difficult to convince them that all non-muslims are evil.

[TTwiggy]

jogon said:

These young girls are mostly from troubled families quite a few in care and are targeted for this very reason. These animals take advantage showerong them with gifts, they become infatuated and very impressionable, it is called grooming and it is illegal. This is before they then share them around there family members, friends and others willing to pay so they achieve a profit on their initial investment. Are you not aware of this concept or do you insist it is the girls fault for taking the drugs?

I'm aware of what grooming is and I'm aware of what pimping is. But you've changed tack a bit from the idea that they are forced to take drugs.

Here's a question for you though. On other Islam threads, many posters - and you might be one - insist that all Muslims are essentially the same, and that there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim, due to the fact that 'their book of rules' cannot be interpreted or ignored. So, with that in mind, do you think that these men are adhering completely to these rules, or do you think they might be ignoring them to such a degree that they can no longer be considered Muslim?

[Mermaid]

TTwiggy said:

I'm aware of what grooming is and I'm aware of what pimping is. But you've changed tack a bit from the idea that they are forced to take drugs.

Here's a question for you though. On other Islam threads, many posters - and you might be one - insist that all Muslims are essentially the same, and that there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim, due to the fact that 'their book of rules' cannot be interpreted or ignored. So, with that in mind, do you think that these men are adhering completely to these rules, or do you think they might be ignoring them to such a degree that they can no longer be considered Muslim?

Hypocrisy & religion - excellent bed fellows.

[andymadmak]

TTwiggy said:

I'm aware of what grooming is and I'm aware of what pimping is. But you've changed tack a bit from the idea that they are forced to take drugs.

Here's a question for you though. On other Islam threads, many posters - and you might be one - insist that all Muslims are essentially the same, and that there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim, due to the fact that 'their book of rules' cannot be interpreted or ignored. So, with that in mind, do you think that these men are adhering completely to these rules, or do you think they might be ignoring them to such a degree that they can no longer be considered Muslim?

As I understand it, ( and I am happy for someone with more knowledge on the subject to correct me if I am wrong) they can still consider themselves as Muslim because the crimes they commit are against girls who are considered to be worthless in the eyes of their religion. - a sort of "it does not count cos they are only white wes" approach to religious interpretation.
It may also explain why they are able to act as they do within a community which, by its own admission, is relatively closed and tight knit.

[don4l]

jogon said:

Anyone remember this one from 2007 in Blackpool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552482/Mis...

and the subsequent failure by police which led to the trial collapsing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220815/Po...

Still going on today folks.

From the Daily Mail article:-

Daily Mail said:

Assistant Chief Constable for Lancashire Police, Andy Cooke, said he acknowledged the findings.

He said: 'It is clear that certain aspects of the case have not been well managed - specifically during the time prior to the trial - and for this we must certainly apologise to the Downes family.

'I want to reassure them and our local communities that we have learned the lessons from this and have moved on quickly in terms of the handling of such information.'[/url]

I'm really fed up of hearing that people have "learned lessons". This is another way of saying that they didn't know how to do the job in the first place.

Anybody who glibly trots out the "learned lessons" excuse should be sacked on the spot. They should also lose any pension accrued whilst in the position that they were clearly unqualified to occupy. I would almost go so far as to say that they should repay any salary that they received for doing the job that they couldn't do, because they needed to "learn lessons".

...I suppose that I should learn to swear more when having a rant.

[freakybacon]

Oxford review.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/01/gan...

No names as yet. Quite upsetting reading too, not to be read while eating breakfast.