another abuse gang

[blindswelledrat]

carinaman said:

Headline states 'ISIS burn girl alive for refusing to participate in extreme sex act'. It's horrible and terrible and sex crimes are committed against kids in Africa and African war zones, but it's hypocritical if we're not putting a stop to it here in the UK.

?

I love this kind of crap.
So, Carinaman. Lets just assume you were prime minister for a moment.
How would you "put a stop" to people having sex with underage people? You know, actually put a stop to it rather than just type the words angrily on the internet?
All the prime ministers in the past 40 years have obviously thought "I have the power to put a stop to rape and underage sex but I cant be bothered. Id rather bomb Afghanistan" if you were to be believed.

[Digga]

blindswelledrat said:

All the prime ministers in the past 40 years have obviously thought "I have the power to put a stop to rape and underage sex but I cant be bothered. Id rather bomb Afghanistan"

That may yet to be proven incorrect.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Statutory Rape is an American term and does not appearin English Law.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 defines sex with a child under 13, sex with a child under 16, and sex with a child under 18 where the perpetrator is in a position of trust or is a family member over 18.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual...

[carinaman]

blindswelledrat said:

All the prime ministers in the past 40 years have obviously thought "I have the power to put a stop to rape and underage sex but I cant be bothered. Id rather bomb Afghanistan" if you were to be believed.

The govt. had the power depose the Council in Rotherham as it wasn't fit for purpose.

Should taking control of Rotherham from the Council also led to an investigation on who thought it was a good idea for the Council to use public funds to try to take out an injunction against The Times for seeking to expose what was going on in Rotherham with regard to the industrial scale exploitation of children?

The importance of a free press is often mentioned with regard to other countries with their being campaigns about journalists and reporters being targetted. I can't see how being concerned about a free press abroad is consistent with the Council in Rotherham taking out High Court injunctions to stop The Times exposing what was happening there.

I'm not sure how my angrily typed words on the Internet compare to platitudes from the establishment and the great and the good about a 'free press'?

'Abuse thrives on secrecy'? Was that from The Detectives? Was that from one of the victims of Teret?

Secrecy is what the Council in Rotherham were trying to achieve with their injunction(s) against The Times?

I think a few Tory MPs campaigned the 7 May General Election with 'British values' and 'Traditional British values'. Those values are what exactly?

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Statutory Rape is an American term and does not appearin English Law.

Thank you for the correction on statutory rape.

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 27th May 15:38

[blindswelledrat]

Sorry, I lost the salient part of your answer in all that verbosity, Carinaman
Just clarify exactly how you would 'put a stop' to all this rape and underage sex?
It must be simple, the way you describe it.

[carinaman]

Perhaps 'lessons will be learned'?:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/26/rot...

If a plain clothes officer is leaving premises and they see someone that's down on the ground as if they've tripped, stumbled or collapsed and choose to look the other way or pretend they didn't see it are not they at risk of dereliction of duty? So how can police officers look the other way while kids are getting sexually exploited?

42 officers? That would indicate failures in the conduct of individual officers or systemic organisational failures?

David Cameron said he wanted to make an offence not to report child abuse after the death of Daniel Pelka?

Just about every other offence can be prosecuted with the phrase 'setting a precedent', or 'this sentence demonstrates these crimes won't be tolerated', etc.

So what example is set, what message is sent by police officers and social services looking the other way and covering up child sexual abuse?

Some defending police cuts have said that it will impact on the ability of the police to protect vulnerable children and adults? But they weren't doing that before the cuts were they?

[blindswelledrat]

Sorry Carinaman, I don't mean to push you but I am going to need you to be a bit more specific as your politicians answers are a bit hazy and up there was a lot of words that wouild hopefully have made 3 or 4 of our historical rapes less likely, but as to "putting a stop" to them all, I don't think so.
So your plans which have taken 3 or 4 years to implement have saved perhaps 4 rapes. In the meantime our country is fallen behind the rest of the world because we have avoided all development work whilst we are robustly putting a stop to this rape.

Considering that according to your rules we should not, as a country, undertake any activities of any kind until we have stopped all this rape and underage sex.
Just in a few words- how do we do that?

Or perhaps just acknowledge that it was a ridiculous posts and a rape in Rotherham has nothing whatsoever to do with other things that happen?

Edited by blindswelledrat on Thursday 28th May 10:12

[carinaman]

Seems Berlowitz's £1K a day contarct was against the rules and she's gone:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3106680/Di...

[gruffalo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-3...

More arrests in Oxford.

[Mermaid]

gruffalo said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-3...

More arrests in Oxford.

Any bets if there is an Ali amongst them?

[grumbledoak]

From the gender of the victims and the age spread of the perpetrators I think we all know the demographics already.

[freakybacon]

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/to...

Leeds this time. Six more "men" to be sentenced at a later date.

[Mermaid]

freakybacon said:

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/to...

Leeds this time. Six more "men" to be sentenced at a later date.

Familiar names.

[Transmitter Man]

wc98 said:

maybe they took the example of what the police did with information relating to the activities of saville, cyril smith, janner and a whole host of supposedly the great and the good that were never investigated at the time they were allegedly involved in abuse.
i would like to see the law applied across the board, not much chance if the willful ineptitude of the south yorkshire force is anything to go by. to be fair ,derek has explained what happens to the ordinary rank and file when they try to do anything .

I would like them to cease digging up dead peado's and concentrate on catching those that are still alive regardless of high up it goes.

Start at the top and work down, not from the grave and up.

[anonymous-user]

Transmitter Man said:

I would like them to cease digging up dead peado's and concentrate on catching those that are still alive regardless of high up it goes.

Start at the top and work down, not from the grave and up.

It'll never work.
Too sensible.

[carinaman]

desolate said:

Transmitter Man said:

I would like them to cease digging up dead peado's and concentrate on catching those that are still alive regardless of high up it goes.

Start at the top and work down, not from the grave and up.

It'll never work.
Too sensible.

I'd like to think that this may improve matters:

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2015-16/38

The Irish were asked to vote twice on the Lisbon Treaty? Perhaps asking MPs to vote on exempting police officers that have knowledge of historic sexual abuse against minors from prosecution by the Official Secrets Act may work, especially when some of them are new and weren't in Parliament to be able to vote the wrong way on it last time?

[gruffalo]

Mermaid said:

gruffalo said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-3...

More arrests in Oxford.

Any bets if there is an Ali amongst them?

Doesn't really matter, a load more dirt bags behind bars has to be good!

[carinaman]

blindswelledrat said:

I love this kind of crap.

I think it's inconsistent and hypocritical that Britain thinks it can poke its nose into other Countries when we can't or wont get our own house in order.

[carinaman]

I'm not sure Instant messages, or posting bits from an article works? It's like getting a newspaper delivering the pertinent bits in bitsize chunks?:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

[Mermaid]

carinaman said:

I'm not sure Instant messages, or posting bits from an article works? It's like getting a newspaper delivering the pertinent bits in bitsize chunks?:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...

968 & Countdown will be along to explain it all, and that it is not fair to Pakistani males etc etc manayana manayana