another abuse gang

[carinaman]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/jack-...

[Mermaid]

desolate said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Organised abuse has been found in all walks of life but seems far more commonly practiced by muslim men upon non muslim women.

Have you just made that up or do you have some facts to back the statement up.

Daily mail articles do not count as facts.

Blind, or solidarity for the culprits.

[Boosted LS1]

desolate said:

Have you just made that up or do you have some facts to back the statement up.

Daily mail articles do not count as facts.

I think it's common knowledge but folks are to scared to speak out, it's time they did. The evidence is there so it shouldn't be swept under the carpet.

[dudleybloke]

The fact that the authorities spent thousands of pounds of public money to try and keep it all hushed up shouldn't be forgotten either.

[anonymous-user]

Boosted LS1 said:

desolate said:

Have you just made that up or do you have some facts to back the statement up.

Daily mail articles do not count as facts.

I think it's common knowledge but folks are to scared to speak out, it's time they did. The evidence is there so it shouldn't be swept under the carpet.

It's a genuine question and I am very interested in the answer.

I agree that it's a vile and dispicable thing to do and I am in no way an apologist for what these people do.

But I am asking a genuine question - is there any hard evidence that more organised abuse is perpetrated by Muslims than others?
Seems to me that there are dissgusting pigs of people everywhere there is a vulnerable child or young adult.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th June 12:30

[WinstonWolf]

desolate said:

Boosted LS1 said:

desolate said:

Have you just made that up or do you have some facts to back the statement up.

Daily mail articles do not count as facts.

I think it's common knowledge but folks are to scared to speak out, it's time they did. The evidence is there so it shouldn't be swept under the carpet.

It's a genuine question and I am very interested in the answer.

I agree that it's a vile and dispicable thing to do and I am in no way an apologist for what these people do.

But I am asking a genuine question - is there any hard evidence that more organised abuse is perpetrated by Muslims than others?
Seems to me that there are dissgusting pigs of people everywhere there is a vulnerable child or young adult.

Edited by desolate on Saturday 27th June 12:30

Much of the evidence was brushed under the carpet but it is finally emerging. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Much of the evidence was brushed under the carpet but it is finally emerging. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Doesn't that hold true for all of the organised abuse that has been going on?

[Transmitter Man]

desolate said:

It's a genuine question and I am very interested in the answer.

I agree that it's a vile and dispicable thing to do and I am in no way an apologist for what these people do.

But I am asking a genuine question - is there any hard evidence that more organised abuse is perpetrated by Muslims than others?
Seems to me that there are dissgusting pigs of people everywhere there is a vulnerable child or young adult.

Edited by desolate on Saturday 27th June 12:30

Yes, there is hard evidence some of which has been reprinted here on PH in the list of names of the peado's involved.

All bar a handful were of Asian origin with the bulk if not all of those from Pakistan or of Pakistan decent.

If you are not happy with searching PH or do not consider the list of those formally charged as hard evidence then please, go ahead and let us hear your definition.

Phil

[FiF]

desolate said:

Boosted LS1 said:

desolate said:

Have you just made that up or do you have some facts to back the statement up.

Daily mail articles do not count as facts.

I think it's common knowledge but folks are to scared to speak out, it's time they did. The evidence is there so it shouldn't be swept under the carpet.

It's a genuine question and I am very interested in the answer.

I agree that it's a vile and dispicable thing to do and I am in no way an apologist for what these people do.

But I am asking a genuine question - is there any hard evidence that more organised abuse is perpetrated by Muslims than others?
Seems to me that there are dissgusting pigs of people everywhere there is a vulnerable child or young adult.

Edited by desolate on Saturday 27th June 12:30

Why are you so desperate to ignore the direct quotes from a police report posted a page or so ago. These stated with statistics the facts.

Do you want more direct quotes as they can be arranged.

Deliberately ignoring facts reported by people whose duty it is to investigate does not nullify the evidence of what has been happening.

As so often written on these threads there are various subsets of perpetrators and victims, with various modus operandi. Muslim and specifically Pakistani origin males preying on white non Muslim girls are but one subset albeit possibly one of the biggest, perhaps even the biggest. Do they make up the majority, as in > 50%, maybe, maybe not. What we as a society need to do is identify these subsets and their MO and take action to stop it and prosecute the culprits without fear or favour, regardless whether it creates unrest wherever in society, be that ethnic, legal, political or entertainment industry. Without fear or favour.

[RedTrident]

I honestly do not think that there would be any sort of community backlash if these people were arrested irrespective of their religious or ethnic background.

[gruffalo]

RedTrident said:

I honestly do not think that there would be any sort of community backlash if these people were arrested irrespective of their religious or ethnic background.

One would hope not but there were protestations from community elders and family of those arrested and charged in Rotherham so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting forthese sub communities actually doing anything proactive to stamp this out.

Most seem at best to be sticking their collective heads in the sand other you could argue are complicate by there lack of action.

[RedTrident]

gruffalo said:

RedTrident said:

I honestly do not think that there would be any sort of community backlash if these people were arrested irrespective of their religious or ethnic background.

One would hope not but there were protestations from community elders and family of those arrested and charged in Rotherham

The bit about protestations - really? I'm not doubting you but would be interested to see who and where and on what basis.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Why are you so desperate to ignore the direct quotes from a police report posted a page or so ago. These stated with statistics the facts.

Do you want more direct quotes as they can be arranged.

Deliberately ignoring facts reported by people whose duty it is to investigate does not nullify the evidence of what has been happening.

As so often written on these threads there are various subsets of perpetrators and victims, with various modus operandi. Muslim and specifically Pakistani origin males preying on white non Muslim girls are but one subset albeit possibly one of the biggest, perhaps even the biggest. Do they make up the majority, as in > 50%, maybe, maybe not. What we as a society need to do is identify these subsets and their MO and take action to stop it and prosecute the culprits without fear or favour, regardless whether it creates unrest wherever in society, be that ethnic, legal, political or entertainment industry. Without fear or favour.

I am not ignoring anything - I can't actually find the police report you allude to. I'd be genuinely interested in reading it.

There is obviously a definite problem with men of a Pakistani background and it needs to be dealt with. the large number of arrests would seem to imply that this is now happening, but who really knows?

My question relates to the the fact the people keep saying that Muslism form "most" of those committing the abuse. My gut feel is that this isn't the case - notwithstanding the slew of recent arrests.

I think what we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg.

[FiF]

desolate said:

FiF said:

Why are you so desperate to ignore the direct quotes from a police report posted a page or so ago. These stated with statistics the facts.

Do you want more direct quotes as they can be arranged.

Deliberately ignoring facts reported by people whose duty it is to investigate does not nullify the evidence of what has been happening.

As so often written on these threads there are various subsets of perpetrators and victims, with various modus operandi. Muslim and specifically Pakistani origin males preying on white non Muslim girls are but one subset albeit possibly one of the biggest, perhaps even the biggest. Do they make up the majority, as in > 50%, maybe, maybe not. What we as a society need to do is identify these subsets and their MO and take action to stop it and prosecute the culprits without fear or favour, regardless whether it creates unrest wherever in society, be that ethnic, legal, political or entertainment industry. Without fear or favour.

I am not ignoring anything - I can't actually find the police report you allude to. I'd be genuinely interested in reading it.

There is obviously a definite problem with men of a Pakistani background and it needs to be dealt with. the large number of arrests would seem to imply that this is now happening, but who really knows?

My question relates to the the fact the people keep saying that Muslism form "most" of those committing the abuse. My gut feel is that this isn't the case - notwithstanding the slew of recent arrests.

I think what we are seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg.

Well you're not trying very hard to find it are you?

Check the FOI releases. Specifically 724-15 CSE profile and again in attachment 03 you will find the stuff that I quoted.

Yet you came out earlier with a slur on any comments by the usual Daily Mail is rubbish diversion.

Now ps off and do your homework.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Well you're not trying very hard to find it are you?

Check the FOI releases. Specifically 724-15 CSE profile and again in attachment 03 you will find the stuff that I quoted.

Yet you came out earlier with a slur on any comments by the usual Daily Mail is rubbish diversion.

Now ps off and do your homework.

Jesus - cracking attitude there fknut.

All I am asking - I thought in a perfectly polite way - is that if the people who were making assertions could back them up with some credible evidence.

So I will now ps off and look up the information that you posted. We can argue about the st that is the Daily Mail on another thread, but I'd suggest you relax a bit.

[carinaman]

A lot of it needs the 'race hate' box ticked too.

Call someone a racist name in the street and it's a hate crime.

Groups of Asians targeting white girls and trafficking them around the country to be prostituted out or used as sweeteners in drug deals isn't it?

It is political correctness gone mad.

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 27th June 21:12

[gruffalo]

RedTrident said:

gruffalo said:

RedTrident said:

I honestly do not think that there would be any sort of community backlash if these people were arrested irrespective of their religious or ethnic background.

One would hope not but there were protestations from community elders and family of those arrested and charged in Rotherham

The bit about protestations - really? I'm not doubting you but would be interested to see who and where and on what basis.

Yep, the BBC did a documentary on Rotherham and the 1400 abused girls interviewing many members of the community, many seemed to think that girls wearing short skirts mean they really want to be raped.

Not the men's fault at all as the girls were asking for it.

Probably still available in I player if you look. There are links to it and other documentaries made at the time on this thread probably need to look back to the right time line to find them, start at page 20ish and go forward from there.

[carinaman]

I've not seen the first one I don't think:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04hcg6z/pano...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05zv4bw/pano...

[Mermaid]

desolate said:

So I will now ps off and look up the information that you posted.
.

Take your time, plenty of stuff to review.

[carinaman]

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2015-07-02/predatory...

I wonder if they thought they'd got away with it?