another abuse gang
Discussion
Digga said:
dudleybloke said:
CorbynForTheBin said:
When I see groupings of mug shots like these (they seem to be a fave of the beeb), I can't help but notice the higher than average proportion of people with very unsymmetrical faces!
Odd.
These things happen when cousins marry too often.Odd.
freakybacon said:
"The majority of the men charged are from the Asian community and there are fears that the investigation could impact on race relations in Halifax."To pot with race relations. Why is that even raised?
Peado scum is peado scum... regardless of the colour of skin, religion, number of legs etc.
Anyone that abuses children pretty much deserves to spend this life and the next dozen in the worst hell imaginable.
I do hope a lot of harm and suffering comes to the gentlemen involved.
Regarding 'sensible' sentences, I would say 'meaningful' but still inadequate. I wish they would stop aggregating sentences as the Telegraph did, saying the gang was jailed 'for 140 years' which would be sensible, when in reality 12 of them were jailed for up to 20 years, and an average of just under 12 years. They're mostly in their 20s so that means that they will be out in their 30s still quite capable of raping children. They should have been locked up for life IMO.
AJS- said:
Regarding 'sensible' sentences, I would say 'meaningful' but still inadequate. I wish they would stop aggregating sentences as the Telegraph did, saying the gang was jailed 'for 140 years' which would be sensible, when in reality 12 of them were jailed for up to 20 years, and an average of just under 12 years. They're mostly in their 20s so that means that they will be out in their 30s still quite capable of raping children. They should have been locked up for life IMO.
Given their arrogant, disrespectful and remorseless conduct in court it is, sadly, a bloody joke. Their conduct was sufficient for the judge to pass comment on it. The sentences really ought to better reflect this IMHO if we're serious about the issue.That the offenders have this aloofness and arrogance is, of course, not unrelated to the root cause of the issue.
Sam All said:
Virtual monopoly by one group - not Indonesians are they?
From a brief google, with the usual caveats;Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Paedophile rings (as opposed to gangs)
where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children are exclusively white.
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-groo...
Alpinestars said:
From a brief google, with the usual caveats;
Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Paedophile rings (as opposed to gangs)
where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children are exclusively white.
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-groo...
Very good point.Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Paedophile rings (as opposed to gangs)
where the offenders have a long-standing sexual interest in children are exclusively white.
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-groo...
I would add to the former group - as you know - the links to drugs and organised crime networks.
I'm pretty certain most people (I encompas all religions and races in that statement) would agree that both groups; the gangs and the paedophile rings - should IMHO be 'profiled' by the police, without fear of prejudice or criticisms of political incorrectness.
Digga said:
Very good point.
I would add to the former group - as you know - the links to drugs and organised crime networks.
I'm pretty certain most people (I encompas all religions and races in that statement) would agree that both groups; the gangs and the paedophile rings - should IMHO be 'profiled' by the police, without fear of prejudice or criticisms of political incorrectness.
Agreed. Must stop this!I would add to the former group - as you know - the links to drugs and organised crime networks.
I'm pretty certain most people (I encompas all religions and races in that statement) would agree that both groups; the gangs and the paedophile rings - should IMHO be 'profiled' by the police, without fear of prejudice or criticisms of political incorrectness.
It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.
Alpinestars said:
Agreed. Must stop this!
It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.
You know, it's easy now to forget, but if you look back to the mid 90's there were active IRA bombers here in the UK. At the time, I'm sure some of the Irish community perhaps could have had suspicions and spoken out - maybe even saved a few lives - but didn't or felt they couldn't. Culturally, as an immigrant - even 2nd or 3 rd generation - it is inevitable that there are conflicts of culture and interest. It is a very narrow mind that does not consider all these facts. Blanket criticism of races and religions are entirely unhelpful.It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.
However, given that police know profiles, they need to be able to act, which if we understand the failings uncovered in the initial Rotherham case, both they and the Social Services could not.
Alpinestars said:
From a brief google, with the usual caveats;
Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Apart from the native whites, curious why Pakistanis feature more prominently than say Bengalis, Indians,Chinese. Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Digga said:
Alpinestars said:
Agreed. Must stop this!
It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.
You know, it's easy now to forget, but if you look back to the mid 90's there were active IRA bombers here in the UK. At the time, I'm sure some of the Irish community perhaps could have had suspicions and spoken out - maybe even saved a few lives - but didn't or felt they couldn't. Culturally, as an immigrant - even 2nd or 3 rd generation - it is inevitable that there are conflicts of culture and interest. It is a very narrow mind that does not consider all these facts. Blanket criticism of races and religions are entirely unhelpful.It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.
However, given that police know profiles, they need to be able to act, which if we understand the failings uncovered in the initial Rotherham case, both they and the Social Services could not.
Now let's stop agreeing, it's making me feel very uneasy!
Sam All said:
Alpinestars said:
From a brief google, with the usual caveats;
Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Apart from the native whites, curious why Pakistanis feature more prominently than say Bengalis, Indians,Chinese. Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
My own view is that you'll get trends depending on the location, generation, time etc. What is clear, is that it's not exclusive to any race, community or religion, but it is generally a male problem. So let's not pretend it is the sole domain of x, y or z community.
Alpinestars said:
Sam All said:
Alpinestars said:
From a brief google, with the usual caveats;
Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
Apart from the native whites, curious why Pakistanis feature more prominently than say Bengalis, Indians,Chinese. Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.
My own view is that you'll get trends depending on the location, generation, time etc. What is clear, is that it's not exclusive to any race, community or religion, but it is generally a male problem. So let's not pretend it is the sole domain of x, y or z community.
There are plenty of non asian individual offenders, but the gang thing seems to be considerably more common amongst certain communities.
The men the police have charged
Hedar Ali, 35, of Nantwich, Cheshire. He is charged with rape (x2) and trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation (x2).
Fasil Mahmood, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B Drug.
Zameer Asif, 24, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child.
Mohammed Ramzan, 34, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16, rape and trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation.
Khalid Zaman, 37, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16, rape (x2) and supply of a class B drug.
Ataf Ali, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16 and voyeurism.
Mohammed Fiaz Askar, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16.
Aesan Pervez, 26, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual assault (x3).
Mansoor Akhtar, 23, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2) and the supply of a class B drug.
Furqaan Ghafar, 30, of Derby. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Aftab Hussain, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual grooming, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2).
Talib Saddiq, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2).
Amaar Ali Ditta, 25, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2).
Silkander Malik, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Akbar Aziz Hussain, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B drug.
Azeem Subhani, 23, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2).
Tahir Mahmood, 42, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and sexual assault.
Mohammed Ahmed, 41, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Haaris Ahmed, 31, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and supply of a class B drug (x3).
Taukeer Butt, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x4).
Arshad Majid, 24, of Shipley. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Christopher Mulqueen-Bennett, 36, of Newport (Gwent). He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
Muhammed Asim Janjuha, 33, of Bradford. He is charged with rape.
Haider Ali, 39, of Halifax. He is charged with rape, sexual activity with a child under 16 and causing a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity without consent.
Sikander Ishaq, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
WinstonWolf said:
Ah, the Rotherham defence.
There are plenty of non asian individual offenders, but the gang thing seems to be considerably more common amongst certain communities.
Did you read my posts?There are plenty of non asian individual offenders, but the gang thing seems to be considerably more common amongst certain communities.
Modus operandi seems to be different between different communities. If we are focussing purely on gangs, it's fair to say that what's been uncovered so far is a disproportionate number of Pakistani men. If we go a bit further and look at sexual exploitation, which surely is the issue, ie the what and not the how, different "communities" appear to have different methods of achieving the end goal.
WinstonWolf said:
I did. It doesn't change the fact that certain communities are disproportionately represented in this type of crime. Please don't pretend it's not happening or try to make excuses for it.
What can be done to educate those involved that this is completely unacceptable in Britain?
Excuses?? Are you being typically provocative?What can be done to educate those involved that this is completely unacceptable in Britain?
THERE IS NO f
kING EXCUSE FOR SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF ANYONE. PERIOD.That should be patentely obvious from my posts. No wonder you struggle with these "debates".
Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
I did. It doesn't change the fact that certain communities are disproportionately represented in this type of crime. Please don't pretend it's not happening or try to make excuses for it.
What can be done to educate those involved that this is completely unacceptable in Britain?
Excuses?? Are you being typically provocative?What can be done to educate those involved that this is completely unacceptable in Britain?
THERE IS NO f
kING EXCUSE FOR SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF ANYONE. PERIOD.That should be patentely obvious from my posts. No wonder you struggle with these "debates".
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