another abuse gang

[Alpinestars]

WinstonWolf said:

Unfortunately it isn't. You *appear* to be trying to shift the blame to all men which is patently wrong. It appears to be a diversionary tactic. If that's not your intention fair enough, but that is how it comes across.

Maybe to you. And maybe that's a reflection on you, not me.

I don't make excuses for anyone who commits crimes of this sort.

If your genuine concern is about the crime as opposed to the method, you'd see the problem is with males. Of all kinds.

If your problem is with the method, then for at least the third time, grooming gangs is mainly a problem of men of Pakistani origin.

Edited by Alpinestars on Friday 12th February 12:42

[andymadmak]

Alpinestars said:

Agreed. Must stop this!

It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.

Crikey you're brave to express that opinion! you only have to look at this and other threads to see that any suggestion that some in the wider community must have known and clearly did not report what was going on is usually the cue for cries of RACIST! or that you're trying to victimise an entire community for the actions of some men who purely by coincidence happen to be part of that community.....

[samuelellis]

Sam All said:

Alpinestars said:

From a brief google, with the usual caveats;

Gangs who select children on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children are mainly Asians, of Pakistani origin.

Apart from the native whites, curious why Pakistanis feature more prominently than say Bengalis, Indians,Chinese.

Ti quote a chant that I have personally heard from Pakistani males in my area "White women are for fking"

In the more poor areas like l live (Dewsbury) a LOT of Pakistani men have little to no respect for women - they have even less respect for white women. Why this is I have no real idea but i see it all the time

[Alpinestars]

andymadmak said:

Alpinestars said:

Agreed. Must stop this!

It's a heinous crime and I'd certainly want the authorities to be proactive in managing it. Including who knew what, and why those that did know, didn't report it. I doubt these things generally go under the radar before the police get involved.

Crikey you're brave to express that opinion! you only have to look at this and other threads to see that any suggestion that some in the wider community must have known and clearly did not report what was going on is usually the cue for cries of RACIST! or that you're trying to victimise an entire community for the actions of some men who purely by coincidence happen to be part of that community.....

I said I don't believe some parts of the "community" would not have know. What I don't know is whether some of those people reported it, and it was not actioned, or whether none of them reported it. I'm not sure any of us know that, so I don't think one can categorically say that "some in the wider community must have known and CLEARLY DID NOT REPORT what was going on" (my emphasis). Like in all walks of life, people around criminals know more than the rest of us, but invariably not all of those in the know do anything about it. For Winston's benefit, that does not make the position of the people who did not report it right, but that's how life goes.

[Digga]

samuelellis said:

In the more poor areas like l live (Dewsbury) a LOT of Pakistani men have little to no respect for women - they have even less respect for white women.

We do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I wonder whether there is one element in which they are loathe to commit crimes within the broader Muslim community - the logic of which is pretty straightforward and understandable as they don't want to bring shame on their families and for another angle it is easier for scum of any sort to use the otherness of their victims as a way of de-humanising them and trivialising the act - but also whether there is a reluctance of Muslim victims to go to the police too?

As traumatic and difficult as it is for the white victims to admit what has happened to them - which is a degrading and shameful experience - it must be even more difficult to do so also in the knowledge your are making accusations against the very community in which your life is based.

[freakybacon]

Luton. Not a gang as such, but in a position of responsibility.

http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Luton-policeman-M...

[Sam All]

freakybacon said:

Luton. Not a gang as such, but in a position of responsibility.

http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Luton-policeman-M...

I assume another Pakistani chappy. Is it an illness or something else? Does this go on in Pakistan? Or elsewhere with large Pakistani communities ?

[gruffalo]

Sam All said:

I assume another Pakistani chappy. Is it an illness or something else? Does this go on in Pakistan? Or elsewhere with large Pakistani communities ?

Er yes, well certainly a lot of rape, not sure about the grooming side or if they just go straight for the rape thing, seems to be quite a problem across the sub continent.

[carinaman]

Sam All said:

freakybacon said:

Luton. Not a gang as such, but in a position of responsibility.

http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/Luton-policeman-M...

I assume another Pakistani chappy. Is it an illness or something else? Does this go on in Pakistan? Or elsewhere with large Pakistani communities ?

Police Constable Mohammad Arshad gave a prepared statement saying he thought the girls were aged 16 or over.

[Pacman1978]

Digga said:

e do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I'd hazard a guess and say it is purely down to the fact that young white females make the easiest targets. Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there. Where as the young white female has NO family to protect her.

I forget who mentioned educating offenders. IMO they CANNOT be. Just going off the ages of the offenders listed within this thread says a lot. sickening.

[s3fella]

or could it be that for every 5 Asian girls there are 90 or so White girls in the UK?

[HerrSchnell]

Pacman1978 said:

Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there.

Or asian/muslim females are more likely to have a family which denies them a voice to the outside world and belong to a community which condones sexual abuse therefore leaving them with no means to communicate the abuse which is happening to them.

Muslim Womens Network UK said:

This report challenges the stereotype that child sexual exploitation is a racial crime in which Asian offenders target White girls only. The findings indicate that Asian girls are even more vulnerable than White girls to exploitation by Asian predators - they are considered a ˜less risky" option because they are less likely to report abuse due to shame and dishonour....

Attitudes amongst Asian and Muslim communities are mainly dismissive or disbelieving in relation to child sexual exploitation.

http://www.mwnuk.co.uk/resourcesDetail.php?id=97

[Sam All]

s3fella said:

or could it be that for every 5 Asian girls there are 90 or so White girls in the UK?

There are circa 3 Pakistani men for every 65, these guys pull well above their weight, and well below age

Castration for a 2nd offence ?

[jas xjr]

Pacman1978 said:

Digga said:

e do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I'd hazard a guess and say it is purely down to the fact that young white females make the easiest targets. Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there. Where as the young white female has NO family to protect her.

I forget who mentioned educating offenders. IMO they CANNOT be. Just going off the ages of the offenders listed within this thread says a lot. sickening.

There is a long and unfortunate history of Muslims abusing and corrupting young Sikh girls. It is well documented.families have sought to educate them

[Digga]

jas xjr said:

Pacman1978 said:

Digga said:

e do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I'd hazard a guess and say it is purely down to the fact that young white females make the easiest targets. Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there. Where as the young white female has NO family to protect her.

I forget who mentioned educating offenders. IMO they CANNOT be. Just going off the ages of the offenders listed within this thread says a lot. sickening.

There is a long and unfortunate history of Muslims abusing and corrupting young Sikh girls. It is well documented.families have sought to educate them

^This is sadly true. A Sikh schoolmate told me about this in the mid 80s and the issue of how the Sikh community educated their girls in order to try to prevent this has since been documented.

My comment quoted was aimed more at the abusers not really wanting to target within their own communities.

[Mr_B]

Looks like one of them is a big fan of PistonHeads and borrowed the 'omg Muslims/ its racist' line, so often on display here, for his desperate bid to avoid being deported.
£10 says he gets to stay and it wouldn't be fair on him or his family in some way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-35...

[Digga]

Mr_B said:

Looks like one of them is a big fan of PistonHeads and borrowed the 'omg Muslims/ its racist' line, so often on display here, for his desperate bid to avoid being deported.
£10 says he gets to stay and it wouldn't be fair on him or his family in some way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-35...

I think displacing blame is all part of the delusion and arrogance seen very often in these cases. To conduct yourself in such a manner in the first place marks you out as something of a sociopath in any case, irrespective of race or religion.

If the rules say some of these criminals can be deported as a result of their actions, then they most certainly should IMHO. It will send a strong, if bleated message, about the conduct required for UK citizens.

[Sam All]

Digga said:

If the rules say some of these criminals can be deported as a result of their actions, then they most certainly should IMHO. It will send a strong, if belated message, about the conduct required for UK citizens.

Yes, but I am with Mr_B - this primitive savage will probably get to stay here.

[jas xjr]

Pacman1978 said:

Digga said:

e do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I'd hazard a guess and say it is purely down to the fact that young white females make the easiest targets. Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there. Where as the young white female has NO family to protect her.

I forget who mentioned educating offenders. IMO they CANNOT be. Just going off the ages of the offenders listed within this thread says a lot. sickening.

[jas xjr]

Pacman1978 said:

Digga said:

e do not generally hear of these gangs preying on vulnerable Asian or Muslim women so often, nor is it a prevalent for their drug related activities and violence to target Asians or Muslims, but I'm sure it does.

I'd hazard a guess and say it is purely down to the fact that young white females make the easiest targets. Asian/muslim females are more likely to have a functional family so that the opportunity just isn't there. Where as the young white female has NO family to protect her.

I forget who mentioned educating offenders. IMO they CANNOT be. Just going off the ages of the offenders listed within this thread says a lot. sickening.